Holocaust in denial

wkirby
Posts: 69
Joined: 2009-04-12
User is offlineOffline
Holocaust in denial

Every time I see a post criticizing Jews I see a bunch of cries of “anti-semitism” and “Holocaust denier”. In fact, this whole site seems to be more along the lines of “Christianity sucks but Jews are alright” than it is Atheism.

I was under the impression that this forum was for non-theist only. From your responses is seems that; there are a lot of Jews claiming to be Atheists, a lot of poorly educated reactionaries or blissfully ignorant peace-loving people who are under the misguided assertion that the Holocaust was the worst atrocity ever committed to human kind. The Holocaust wasn’t even the worst atrocity of the 20th Century, let alone all time.

Don’t get me wrong, what Hitler attempted was abhorrent beyond words but not because they were Jews, because they were people. The Holocaust is no more significant to world history than may other similar attempts at genocide - it’s just got a better PR campaign.

For all you defenders of the hard done by Jews, do you shed a tear for the Sudanese (2003-present  675,000 people have been killed, and 5,590,000 people have been displaced ) or Rwandans (1994 - 800,000 and 1,000,000)? How about Cambodians (1975-1979, approximately 1,700,000 ) or Armenians (1914-1920 approximately 1,000,000 to 1,500,000)? These are all war-time attempts at genocide and while the outright numbers aren’t as high as the reported numbers of Jews killed, as a percentage of the population, these attempts blow Hitler out of the water.

Let’s also not forget non-wartime attempts at genocide and have a look at Australia.
Australia attempted genocide (and was very nearly successful) of native Aboriginals. All Aboriginals were successfully eradicated from Tasmania and it was government policy until the mid 1970s to remove Aboriginal children from their homes and place them with good white Christian families, as it was eloquently put in “Braveheart” - “If we can’t wipe them out, we shall breed them out”. Exact numbers of those killed or displaced are unknown.

How about China? Admittedly Chairman Mao didn’t attempt genocide but with estimated numbers of somewhere between 45,000,000 and 72,000,000 - and that’s not including Tibet - I think you’d have to agree the Holocaust suddenly looks like a weak effort.

In such illustrious company one should also include Stalin who is estimated to have somewhere between 20,000,000 and 50,000,000 notches on his belt. Again, no genocide attempted but he should at least get an A for effort.

Even the most liberal estimates of Hitler put him at a paltry 25,000,000 and only about 5,000,000 of those were Jews.

The worst part about these numbers is that this all happened in the 20th Century!

Looking further back in time you have such regimes as the Mongols, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Assyrians and the Aztecs and who knows how many people died at the hands of these great empires.

So I’m asking, please… pretty please… can we leave the plaintiff cries of “What about the Holocaust” and “you nasty anti-semite” at the door and have some unbiased, rational debate on religious issues?

 
 

Why can't people accept that Atheism is by definition no faith? I don't believe in Atheism, I simply am Atheist.


latincanuck
atheist
latincanuck's picture
Posts: 2038
Joined: 2007-06-01
User is offlineOffline
wkirby wrote:Every time I

wkirby wrote:

Every time I see a post criticizing Jews I see a bunch of cries of “anti-semitism” and “Holocaust denier”. In fact, this whole site seems to be more along the lines of “Christianity sucks but Jews are alright” than it is Atheism.

I was under the impression that this forum was for non-theist only. From your responses is seems that; there are a lot of Jews claiming to be Atheists, a lot of poorly educated reactionaries or blissfully ignorant peace-loving people who are under the misguided assertion that the Holocaust was the worst atrocity ever committed to human kind. The Holocaust wasn’t even the worst atrocity of the 20th Century, let alone all time.

Don’t get me wrong, what Hitler attempted was abhorrent beyond words but not because they were Jews, because they were people. The Holocaust is no more significant to world history than may other similar attempts at genocide - it’s just got a better PR campaign.

For all you defenders of the hard done by Jews, do you shed a tear for the Sudanese (2003-present  675,000 people have been killed, and 5,590,000 people have been displaced ) or Rwandans (1994 - 800,000 and 1,000,000)? How about Cambodians (1975-1979, approximately 1,700,000 ) or Armenians (1914-1920 approximately 1,000,000 to 1,500,000)? These are all war-time attempts at genocide and while the outright numbers aren’t as high as the reported numbers of Jews killed, as a percentage of the population, these attempts blow Hitler out of the water.

Let’s also not forget non-wartime attempts at genocide and have a look at Australia.
Australia attempted genocide (and was very nearly successful) of native Aboriginals. All Aboriginals were successfully eradicated from Tasmania and it was government policy until the mid 1970s to remove Aboriginal children from their homes and place them with good white Christian families, as it was eloquently put in “Braveheart” - “If we can’t wipe them out, we shall breed them out”. Exact numbers of those killed or displaced are unknown.

How about China? Admittedly Chairman Mao didn’t attempt genocide but with estimated numbers of somewhere between 45,000,000 and 72,000,000 - and that’s not including Tibet - I think you’d have to agree the Holocaust suddenly looks like a weak effort.

In such illustrious company one should also include Stalin who is estimated to have somewhere between 20,000,000 and 50,000,000 notches on his belt. Again, no genocide attempted but he should at least get an A for effort.

Even the most liberal estimates of Hitler put him at a paltry 25,000,000 and only about 5,000,000 of those were Jews.

The worst part about these numbers is that this all happened in the 20th Century!

Looking further back in time you have such regimes as the Mongols, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Assyrians and the Aztecs and who knows how many people died at the hands of these great empires.

So I’m asking, please… pretty please… can we leave the plaintiff cries of “What about the Holocaust” and “you nasty anti-semite” at the door and have some unbiased, rational debate on religious issues?

 
 

Never seen atheists tell people they are anti-semites on this website personally, however we have had jews calls various people that because they wouldn't stop typing out God instead of G-d, but that's a difference issue, as well the 25 million wasn't done by Hitler alone, at least not from what I have studied about the topic, now, there was maybe 25 million civilians killed on the allied side estimated of course, and the total death on the allied side was 39 million (military and civilian) for a total of 48 million  to about 60 million total killed in the entire war (again estimated). Now the Germans have been given the largest total, about 20 million they killed, but that includes military and civilian. The largest by far that were killed where the Russians. Now in the death camps and the total killed intentionally by Hitler (that being not due to the fact that they were fighting the war per se) were the jews, at around 4.1 to 6 million jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies and the handicaps make up maybe 1 to 2 million. Soviet soldiers that were capture about 3 to 3.1 million.

Now what comes to mind is when people bring up that Hitler was an atheist and that he killed the most, when most of history shows a few things, A) a historical hatred of Jew in Europe that Hitler used during the war and the Nazi party to get elected (as the national socialist party, the precursor to the Nazi part, generally attributed the treaty after WWI to the jews and Communists that were trying to destroy Germany) and B) thay Hitler had used the church (most specifically the German Christian Church) agains the jews and other undesirables. If you were not aryan and christian in germany in the  late 1930's and of course from 1940-1944 you where not considered a german citizen, even if you were born there.

Now many that you meantion (for example Mao) it's to the world really chinese on chinese violence, same goes in rwanda (black on black violence) and lets admit the truth that's how many do perceive it, even though I agree with you that it is just as horrible if not more so than jewish holocaust, however when it comes to WWII it's religious ideologies, and the jews are a every indentifiable group, as where the Nazi's for the most part and this was really a clash of ideologies that was taken to the extreme by the Nazi's.


treat2 (not verified)
Posts: 4294964979
Joined: 1969-12-31
User is offlineOffline
wkirby wrote:Every time I

wkirby wrote:

Every time I see a post criticizing Jews I see a bunch of cries of “anti-semitism” and “Holocaust denier”. In fact, this whole site seems to be more along the lines of “Christianity sucks but Jews are alright” than it is Atheism.

I was under the impression that this forum was for non-theist only. From your responses is seems that; there are a lot of Jews claiming to be Atheists, a lot of poorly educated reactionaries or blissfully ignorant peace-loving people who are under the misguided assertion that the Holocaust was the worst atrocity ever committed to human kind. The Holocaust wasn’t even the worst atrocity of the 20th Century, let alone all time.

Don’t get me wrong, what Hitler attempted was abhorrent beyond words but not because they were Jews, because they were people. The Holocaust is no more significant to world history than may other similar attempts at genocide - it’s just got a better PR campaign.

For all you defenders of the hard done by Jews, do you shed a tear for the Sudanese (2003-present  675,000 people have been killed, and 5,590,000 people have been displaced ) or Rwandans (1994 - 800,000 and 1,000,000)? How about Cambodians (1975-1979, approximately 1,700,000 ) or Armenians (1914-1920 approximately 1,000,000 to 1,500,000)? These are all war-time attempts at genocide and while the outright numbers aren’t as high as the reported numbers of Jews killed, as a percentage of the population, these attempts blow Hitler out of the water.

Let’s also not forget non-wartime attempts at genocide and have a look at Australia.
Australia attempted genocide (and was very nearly successful) of native Aboriginals. All Aboriginals were successfully eradicated from Tasmania and it was government policy until the mid 1970s to remove Aboriginal children from their homes and place them with good white Christian families, as it was eloquently put in “Braveheart” - “If we can’t wipe them out, we shall breed them out”. Exact numbers of those killed or displaced are unknown.

How about China? Admittedly Chairman Mao didn’t attempt genocide but with estimated numbers of somewhere between 45,000,000 and 72,000,000 - and that’s not including Tibet - I think you’d have to agree the Holocaust suddenly looks like a weak effort.

In such illustrious company one should also include Stalin who is estimated to have somewhere between 20,000,000 and 50,000,000 notches on his belt. Again, no genocide attempted but he should at least get an A for effort.

Even the most liberal estimates of Hitler put him at a paltry 25,000,000 and only about 5,000,000 of those were Jews.

The worst part about these numbers is that this all happened in the 20th Century!

Looking further back in time you have such regimes as the Mongols, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Assyrians and the Aztecs and who knows how many people died at the hands of these great empires.

So I’m asking, please… pretty please… can we leave the plaintiff cries of “What about the Holocaust” and “you nasty anti-semite” at the door and have some unbiased, rational debate on religious issues?

 
 

wkirby, you lost me at your first sentence. Soz.

I got the first bit of it, but then it when onto stuff about Christians and Atheists.

Could you please decrypt the sentence into what you're attempting to get across within the first sentenece.

Perhaps breaking it into 3 parts?

Thanks.


butterbattle
ModeratorSuperfan
butterbattle's picture
Posts: 3945
Joined: 2008-09-12
User is offlineOffline
wkirby wrote:Every time I

wkirby wrote:

Every time I see a post criticizing Jews I see a bunch of cries of “anti-semitism” and “Holocaust denier”. In fact, this whole site seems to be more along the lines of “Christianity sucks but Jews are alright” than it is Atheism.

Is this really the impression you got from the site?

Try this thread.

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/16901

Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare


wkirby
Posts: 69
Joined: 2009-04-12
User is offlineOffline
treat2 wrote:wkirby

treat2 wrote:
wkirby wrote:

Every time I see a post criticizing Jews I see a bunch of cries of “anti-semitism” and “Holocaust denier”. In fact, this whole site seems to be more along the lines of “Christianity sucks but Jews are alright” than it is Atheism.

I was under the impression that this forum was for non-theist only.


 

wkirby, you lost me at your first sentence. Soz. I got the first bit of it, but then it when onto stuff about Christians and Atheists. Could you please decrypt the sentence into what you're attempting to get across within the first sentenece. Perhaps breaking it into 3 parts? Thanks.

Apologies. What I mean by the second sentence is:  Anti-Christian threads abound and the general consensus in these threads is (rightly) "boo to Christianity". There is also a large number of Jewish thread - all of which seem to attract a disproportionate amount of responses - and the jury is split. For every response denouncing Judaism, there's another one defending it. And in every one I've read so far, someone feels the need to bring up the Holocaust. Add to this the fact there is virtually no threads related to non-Abrahamic religions (indeed Islam only gets a minor supporting role in this holy trinity) and it seems to me that we have a situation of; Christanity = bad. Judaism = kinda bad but give these guys a break, haven't they suffered enough? and Oh really, there are other religions out there?!

Sorry, I can't explain it any better than that.

Why can't people accept that Atheism is by definition no faith? I don't believe in Atheism, I simply am Atheist.


wkirby
Posts: 69
Joined: 2009-04-12
User is offlineOffline
butterbattle wrote:wkirby

butterbattle wrote:

wkirby wrote:

Every time I see a post criticizing Jews I see a bunch of cries of “anti-semitism” and “Holocaust denier”. In fact, this whole site seems to be more along the lines of “Christianity sucks but Jews are alright” than it is Atheism.

Is this really the impression you got from the site?

Try this thread.

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/16901

Sadly, yes this is the impression I get.

Thanks for the link, read it and I have 2 comments. 1. The not too subtle difference with this thread is it was initiated by someone promoting Judaism, not denouncing it. I specified "a post criticizing Jews" but it was encouraging to read some of the tangents. and 2. Read the responses and (not including the original poster of this thread) I found

  • tons of references to Yahweh
  • a defense of a reference to Jews attempt at genocide with "populations at those times weren't that big that those genocides would truely be comparable to modern genocides" - ie Jewish genocide isn't as bad as everyone elses
  • no less than 9 references to the Holocaust not including responses to someone else referring to the Holocaust.

 

Why can't people accept that Atheism is by definition no faith? I don't believe in Atheism, I simply am Atheist.


Tapey
atheist
Tapey's picture
Posts: 1477
Joined: 2009-01-23
User is offlineOffline
wkirby wrote:treat2

wkirby wrote:

treat2 wrote:
wkirby wrote:

Every time I see a post criticizing Jews I see a bunch of cries of “anti-semitism” and “Holocaust denier”. In fact, this whole site seems to be more along the lines of “Christianity sucks but Jews are alright” than it is Atheism.

I was under the impression that this forum was for non-theist only.


 

wkirby, you lost me at your first sentence. Soz. I got the first bit of it, but then it when onto stuff about Christians and Atheists. Could you please decrypt the sentence into what you're attempting to get across within the first sentenece. Perhaps breaking it into 3 parts? Thanks.

Apologies. What I mean by the second sentence is:  Anti-Christian threads abound and the general consensus in these threads is (rightly) "boo to Christianity". There is also a large number of Jewish thread - all of which seem to attract a disproportionate amount of responses - and the jury is split. For every response denouncing Judaism, there's another one defending it. And in every one I've read so far, someone feels the need to bring up the Holocaust. Add to this the fact there is virtually no threads related to non-Abrahamic religions (indeed Islam only gets a minor supporting role in this holy trinity) and it seems to me that we have a situation of; Christanity = bad. Judaism = kinda bad but give these guys a break, haven't they suffered enough? and Oh really, there are other religions out there?!

Sorry, I can't explain it any better than that.

Well the majority of people here live in places where most of the people are christians , so it is natural that they get most of the booing, Jews get threads because all there are a few around and have alot of silly traditions, I haven't seen to many of the people who say leave the jews alone. I personally have never even seen a muslim here so I don't see why it would matter that they get the least. The other religions are not major tbh but there are a few threads around based on some. 

Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
No animal shall wear clothes.
No animal shall sleep in a bed.
No animal shall drink alcohol.
No animal shall kill any other animal.
All animals are equal.


Gauche
atheist
Gauche's picture
Posts: 1565
Joined: 2007-01-18
User is offlineOffline
I don't think jews are

I don't think jews are alright. Would you like to hear some of my anti-jew rhetoric?


Jeffrick
High Level DonorRational VIP!SuperfanGold Member
Jeffrick's picture
Posts: 2446
Joined: 2008-03-25
User is offlineOffline
Gauche wrote:I don't think

Gauche wrote:

I don't think jews are alright. Would you like to hear some of my anti-jew rhetoric?

       No.

 

"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."

VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"

If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?


Gauche
atheist
Gauche's picture
Posts: 1565
Joined: 2007-01-18
User is offlineOffline
Jeffrick wrote:Gauche

Jeffrick wrote:

Gauche wrote:

I don't think jews are alright. Would you like to hear some of my anti-jew rhetoric?

       No.

 

Man, this isn't a Jewmocracy alright. The OP deserves proof that I've come here to bash jews as much as any other religious group and maybe even more.


 

There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft


Jeffrick
High Level DonorRational VIP!SuperfanGold Member
Jeffrick's picture
Posts: 2446
Joined: 2008-03-25
User is offlineOffline
think, please

Gauche wrote:

Jeffrick wrote:

Gauche wrote:

I don't think jews are alright. Would you like to hear some of my anti-jew rhetoric?

       No.

 

Man, this isn't a Jewmocracy alright. The OP deserves proof that I've come here to bash jews as much as any other religious group and maybe even more.


 

 

        Even non-religious, unreligious and anti-religious Jews consider themselves Jewish; it is far to easy to sound like a bigoted racist to say things like "anti-jew rhetoric" and "bash jews". I don't think you are a racist but bashing 'jews' when you realy mean to bash '"yet another religion=to all the other religions" you bash can make you sound like one. While inventing a word like "Jewmocracy" sounds down right neo-natzi.       Your actual question was personal "Would you like to hear some of my anti-jew rhetoric?";  My answer was also personal, No.       We all spend a great deal of time on this site bashing the old testement; that is anti-Judaisim; without sounding anti-semetic.

 

"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."

VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"

If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?


Gauche
atheist
Gauche's picture
Posts: 1565
Joined: 2007-01-18
User is offlineOffline
I don't deny that there are

I don't deny that there are non-religious aspects of jewry and that one of them is racial. While I'm not going to criticize people for their racial identity or ethnic origin, it would be dishonest for me to pretend that I only want to disparage their religion when there's also a cultural and political aspect that I would also like to degrade.

I see no reason for an atheist (especially if that atheist is me) to be sensitive to people attaching their racial identity to other aspects of their cultural identity which would otherwise be open to criticism and accusing people who level criticism of bigotry. This is an obvious and pathetic ploy to avoid criticism.

If anything I feel duty bound to expose that kind of nonsense by using what has been wrongly classified as bigoted language to bash jews with anti-jew rhetoric.

 

PS. A Jewmocracy is a democracy where you can do anything except critcize jews. I don't know if someone else made that word before I did.

There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft


treat2 (not verified)
Posts: 4294964979
Joined: 1969-12-31
User is offlineOffline
wkirby wrote:treat2

wkirby wrote:

treat2 wrote:
wkirby wrote:

Every time I see a post criticizing Jews I see a bunch of cries of “anti-semitism” and “Holocaust denier”. In fact, this whole site seems to be more along the lines of “Christianity sucks but Jews are alright” than it is Atheism.

I was under the impression that this forum was for non-theist only.


 

wkirby, you lost me at your first sentence. Soz. I got the first bit of it, but then it when onto stuff about Christians and Atheists. Could you please decrypt the sentence into what you're attempting to get across within the first sentenece. Perhaps breaking it into 3 parts? Thanks.

Apologies. What I mean by the second sentence is:  Anti-Christian threads abound and the general consensus in these threads is (rightly) "boo to Christianity". There is also a large number of Jewish thread - all of which seem to attract a disproportionate amount of responses - and the jury is split. For every response denouncing Judaism, there's another one defending it. And in every one I've read so far, someone feels the need to bring up the Holocaust. Add to this the fact there is virtually no threads related to non-Abrahamic religions (indeed Islam only gets a minor supporting role in this holy trinity) and it seems to me that we have a situation of; Christanity = bad. Judaism = kinda bad but give these guys a break, haven't they suffered enough? and Oh really, there are other religions out there?!

Sorry, I can't explain it any better than that.

Thanks.

I take it you've not read quite a few of my posts, in several threads during the past week.

Granted, your thread-post was put up some time ago, and I'm a newbie, and I'm uninterested in reading a bunch of posts to discover if your assesment is corrent or not. Not to mention that I don't care. However, as I assume that you're upset with Israel, you might find my posts during the past week show the same. (As to what problem you have with Jews as a whole, or that you envision that this site is another Zionist plot. I suggest you either see a shrink, or start taking your meds again. I've read enough topics and posts even in a week to definitively say that any delusions of this site being a Zionist plot to exclude criticism of all Fundamentalists, but Jews is not true, and I can clearly see that there are lots of topics and posts on the subject of Atheism).

HOWEVER... there is one point that I would agree with something that you HINTED at, but you did NOT say, nor suggest.

At this site, and some others (of course), I've clearly found that there is a "lobby" of members whom are highly supportive of right-wing Israeli beliefs. Additioanlly, when such posters are "called" to debate such stuff and their statements are reitierated in such a manner as to demonstrate the garbage the poster is spewing, I've found the poster(s) deny their previous positions, and claim to be highly misunderstood. Lastly, I've also found that such criticism is followed by cries of "Troll!" or some such similar garbage, such as spamming on a thread to destroy any number of Topics posted by the poster whom leveled such criticism against the ideology of the current Israeli majority and right-wing Jewish ideology.

Lastly, I've found a wide variety of Bushites here whom are highly supportive of GWB's and Obama's idiotic foriegn policies with regard to U.S. colonisalism, mislead interventionist crap fed to the masses and then carried out as a need to keep us safe. That also includes a large number of supposed supporters of our absurd military presence all over the world, previous idiotic wars, and new wars that we are heading into, and far more which I could blog on. Enough said on that, except for posters that assume that if you criticise Israel, your a Muslim, or former Muslim. That too, I've found here, and at every forum I've ever visited.

One NOT need to troll to get "whacked", simply piss-off enough posters so that they call you a troll, and spam on your threads and responses. That's enough to get "whacked", and as one poster recently said... I don't think you'll be around much longer. (I'm sure that will be the case, as it always has been.)

Simply watch the spammers and trolls that respond to this!


wkirby
Posts: 69
Joined: 2009-04-12
User is offlineOffline
treat2 wrote: I take it

treat2 wrote:
I take it you've not read quite a few of my posts, in several threads during the past week. Granted, your thread-post was put up some time ago, and I'm a newbie, and I'm uninterested in reading a bunch of posts to discover if your assesment is corrent or not. Not to mention that I don't care. However, as I assume that you're upset with Israel, you might find my posts during the past week show the same. (As to what problem you have with Jews as a whole, or that you envision that this site is another Zionist plot. I suggest you either see a shrink, or start taking your meds again. I've read enough topics and posts even in a week to definitively say that any delusions of this site being a Zionist plot to exclude criticism of all Fundamentalists, but Jews is not true, and I can clearly see that there are lots of topics and posts on the subject of Atheism). 

I've read your posts and many others. I wasn't targeting you or any of the other contributors here who have the balls to call a spade a spade. I just don't understand why people get so defensive about Jews and why the biggest defense is "what about the Holocaust!"

I don't have a problem with Jews as a whole any more than I have a problem with humanity as a whole. I guess it probably stems from my misunderstanding of Jews as a race rather than Jews as a religion. I've hunted far and wide and I can't find any other religious faith that claims the leap to a race - if anyone else has, please let me know. Just because a person follows traditions of a faith doesn't mean they are belong to a faith. I'm not Christian because I celebrate Christmas any more than a Christian is an Anglo-Saxon pagan for celebrating Easter. I can only assume that because I can't get my head around the idea of an ideology transforming into a race, I perceive those defenders of the faith as closet Jews. Take note of the amount of people who jump on anti-Jewish threads and look at the sheer volume of replies compared to pretty much any other posts. Then compare how many responders tip-toe around 'anti-semetic' responses or respond with unwarranted vitriol compared to posts on another topic. Then, just for kicks, have a Tequila shot every time you read "Hitler" or "Holocaust". Just make sure you have a big bottle!

I'm curious as to how you made the leap from the initial post to your reference of a Zionist plot. Makes me laugh as most conspiracy theories do. If there is a Zionist plot to take over the world, all power to them - they can hardly screw it up more than the current world leaders Sticking out tongue If I can't be "Supreme Ruler of the World", I don't really care who is (oh and before you tell me to see a shrink for delusions of granduer - that was a joke!). Perhaps you may want to see someone for a mild case of paranoia?

As to the rest of your reply you're right on track, so thank you. I don't mean exclusively right-wing though. And if I do get banned for pointing out something, so be it.

Why can't people accept that Atheism is by definition no faith? I don't believe in Atheism, I simply am Atheist.


Rich Woods
Rational VIP!
Rich Woods's picture
Posts: 868
Joined: 2008-02-06
User is offlineOffline
 I'm kind of with Gauche on

 I'm kind of with Gauche on this...Jews suck.. the same as any other of these ridiculous Christian or Muslim religious shitbags.

 

Oh...and BTW...how annoying are the jews for jesus?...how contrary is *that* concept?...it's like "Dykes for Dicks"


ClockCat
ClockCat's picture
Posts: 2265
Joined: 2009-03-26
User is offlineOffline
Rich Woods wrote: I'm kind

Rich Woods wrote:

 I'm kind of with Gauche on this...Jews suck.. the same as any other of these ridiculous Christian or Muslim religious shitbags.

 

Oh...and BTW...how annoying are the jews for jesus?...how contrary is *that* concept?...it's like "Dykes for Dicks"

 

 

 

Well, to be fair Jesus WAS a jew, if accounts of his existing are taken as factual. He spent almost a year wandering around "preaching" what he viewed to be as the best interpretations of jewish law, which by the way is plausible as it was verrrrry common. In fact, we have records of a large number of individuals within the supposed timeframe of Jesus that could fit that description, and nearly all of them have supposed records of "miracles". There are writings that survived that speak of putting down many people with claims such as this, who were doing it to stir up violence against the Roman empire's rule. Pretty much all of them were only given a small notation however, being recorded by the Roman empire...except for one that gathered a somewhat large following of people under the understanding that he had performed some miracles and was going to destroy the empire through trumpet blasts and music, which attained a slightly larger notation for bloodshed involved in removing him.

 

I love this history class I'm taking on the religion. It is very entertaining so far. The sheer number of loons at the time making claims in rural areas (ALL the claims of individuals with miracles seem to have developed in places with VERY sparse populations, never in a city with many people to record it...and of course are only put to writ as secondhand gossip told by people, much like a farmer making a claim he knew a guy that had his cattle abducted by aliens) makes me wish I could see exactly how the story believed by so many today originated. I can speculate though.

 

 

 

As for Hitler, he was very very devoted to his religion of Roman Catholicism. In fact, he mentions it in his book. He even goes as far to state he believes he is purging the jews as the will of the christian god.

 

 

 

Gott Mit Uns was still used by the German military through World War II, until the end of the Third Reich. It means "god with us", and originated long before that war...but during it, it was worn on their belt buckles, like the one shown above. Much of the military believed they were in the right with what they were doing. Hitler himself pushed policies, but the military was the one that carried them out. The majority of the population is what supported this, through religion and loyalty, and the remainer by silence in fear of the majority.

Theism is why we can't have nice things.


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
wkirby wrote:Every time I

wkirby wrote:

Every time I see a post criticizing Jews I see a bunch of cries of “anti-semitism” and “Holocaust denier”. In fact, this whole site seems to be more along the lines of “Christianity sucks but Jews are alright” than it is Atheism.

I was under the impression that this forum was for non-theist only. From your responses is seems that; there are a lot of Jews claiming to be Atheists, a lot of poorly educated reactionaries or blissfully ignorant peace-loving people who are under the misguided assertion that the Holocaust was the worst atrocity ever committed to human kind. The Holocaust wasn’t even the worst atrocity of the 20th Century, let alone all time.

Even if it was, religions undergo extinction events. Who mourns Adonis? The fewer religions to muck with people's heads the better.

wkirby wrote:
Don’t get me wrong, what Hitler attempted was abhorrent beyond words but not because they were Jews, because they were people. The Holocaust is no more significant to world history than may other similar attempts at genocide - it’s just got a better PR campaign.
The Holocaust Industry by Norman Finkelstein. Not only a better PR campaign but a very profitable operation.
wkirby wrote:
For all you defenders of the hard done by Jews, do you shed a tear for the Sudanese (2003-present  675,000 people have been killed, and 5,590,000 people have been displaced ) or Rwandans (1994 - 800,000 and 1,000,000)? How about Cambodians (1975-1979, approximately 1,700,000 ) or Armenians (1914-1920 approximately 1,000,000 to 1,500,000)? These are all war-time attempts at genocide and while the outright numbers aren’t as high as the reported numbers of Jews killed, as a percentage of the population, these attempts blow Hitler out of the water.

Let’s also not forget non-wartime attempts at genocide and have a look at Australia.
Australia attempted genocide (and was very nearly successful) of native Aboriginals. All Aboriginals were successfully eradicated from Tasmania and it was government policy until the mid 1970s to remove Aboriginal children from their homes and place them with good white Christian families, as it was eloquently put in “Braveheart” - “If we can’t wipe them out, we shall breed them out”. Exact numbers of those killed or displaced are unknown.
While thinking this way, consider the American Indian. I have read dozens of excuses for Israel which point to the Indian wars and chant, You did it too. As that is today considered genocide it is a frank admission by the Zionists they are committing genocide on the Palestinians.
wkirby wrote:
How about China? Admittedly Chairman Mao didn’t attempt genocide but with estimated numbers of somewhere between 45,000,000 and 72,000,000 - and that’s not including Tibet - I think you’d have to agree the Holocaust suddenly looks like a weak effort.

In such illustrious company one should also include Stalin who is estimated to have somewhere between 20,000,000 and 50,000,000 notches on his belt. Again, no genocide attempted but he should at least get an A for effort.

Even the most liberal estimates of Hitler put him at a paltry 25,000,000 and only about 5,000,000 of those were Jews.
What makes this interesting is there are official numbers (however politically motivated -- the only good communist is a dead communist) promulgated by countries and traceable data collection methods. Similarly there are such numbers produced by the religions for their losses which have a traceable methodology. All but one religion. Judaism, the one which loves to pretend to exactitude in their numbers has never promulgated official numbers.

wkirby wrote:
The worst part about these numbers is that this all happened in the 20th Century!

Looking further back in time you have such regimes as the Mongols, the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Assyrians and the Aztecs and who knows how many people died at the hands of these great empires.

So I’m asking, please… pretty please… can we leave the plaintiff cries of “What about the Holocaust” and “you nasty anti-semite” at the door and have some unbiased, rational debate on religious issues?

You can dream of it.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

Gauche wrote:

I don't think jews are alright. Would you like to hear some of my anti-jew rhetoric?

In the interests of fair play and equal treatement, give it a go.

I don't think that savage, genital mutilating religion spends enough time in the barrel. The Reform movement has cleaned up its act but they are a minority and the Orthodox consider them to have a separate religion. The Orthodox Rabbis and the Shia Ayatollahs are cut from the same cloth. During the recent slaughter in Gaza they were urging troops to do a Old Testament extermination on all of them including the children. It was well reported in all the Israeli newspapers but not a word of it in any news source outside of Israel that I could find.

Gaza is a godsend to atheism as is the title of the thread I started.This is particularly true in America where redneck klansmen provide the majority of political support for Israel.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

latincanuck wrote:

Never seen atheists tell people they are anti-semites on this website personally,

You haven't? Oddly I was banned from this website for one week which happened to turn into three weeks. While waiting I read all the accusations against me. Not only were they all false accusations, that is they were lies, but they all centered around not posting nice things about Jews and Judaism. When I was kindly permitted to post again I issued an open challenge for anyone to post anything I said that was objectionable. That was months ago and still there has not been one response to that challenge. What I did post was directed against Israel and Zionism. And all the lies were accusations of hating Jews and antisemitism.

I can see you may have missed those few threads.

The fact remains what I relate did occur. The gods of this website saw fit to respond to objections related to only one religion, Judaism. As there has been no response to my challenge it is clear the issue is only the failure to say nice things about Israel and the animal zionists. Who but a redneck or a Jew gives a damn about that pissant little country and why?

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

Jeffrick wrote:

       Even non-religious, unreligious and anti-religious Jews consider themselves Jewish;
 The world appears to have an inexhaustible supply of stupidity. There is no reason to cater to it. 
Jeffrick wrote:
it is far to easy to sound like a bigoted racist to say things like "anti-jew rhetoric" and "bash jews". I don't think you are a racist but bashing 'jews' when you realy mean to bash '"yet another religion=to all the other religions" you bash can make you sound like one. While inventing a word like "Jewmocracy" sounds down right neo-natzi.
 It is good you give another example of the pro-jewish bias that exists here. What EXACTLY makes "jewmocracy" sound neo-nazi? Can you give a definition of "neo-nazi" which would show WHY that neologism would sound like to comes from them? You can't? You don't know anything about "neo-nazi" beyond was you can glean from the word itself and its usage as a pejorative?  Your answers will show you are like everyone else in the world.  
Jeffrick wrote:
Your actual question was personal "Would you like to hear some of my anti-jew rhetoric?";  My answer was also personal, No. We all spend a great deal of time on this site bashing the old testement; that is anti-Judaisim; without sounding anti-semetic.

When I point out not only is the OT BS only religious grounds but also the non-religious parts are total fabrications, i.e., it is not a civil history with religious trappings but not any kind of history, that is it an invented religion with an invented history like the Book of Mormon, I get all kinds of arguments against those ideas. Yet the arguments are silly versions of the pro-religion arguments these same people say they reject.

Can you imagine people who reject an known quantity like Thomas Aquinas in the matter of religion but who cite a professor they otherwise never heard of to support some "real" existence of a bible king solely because he supports their desired belief? While I have yet to see it here in the soc.history.ancient newsgroup I have had these unknowns defended because they are in university publications. When I track those down I find them in the religion or even specifically the bible colleges of those universities. I expect no research into the source of logical fallacy of "appeal to authority" here than I find any place else.

I can't say this is all deliberate. In fact it is difficult to talk about bibleland without falling into common usage terms which have only a religious foundation. And it is common for completely secular works on ancient history to use terms like "around the time of Solomon" as though there really were a Solomon or a biblical Israel.

There is an analogous issue with many Brits. They want their King Arthur to have been a real person. In the last few years they have fixed on one man who had a different name, did entirely different things, had entirely different interactions with people yet they want to declare him the same person as Arthur. Doing so requires a new definition for the word same. Bible thumpers or perhaps in this case Torah thumpers are often willing to take a tribal chieftain in place of their precious king Solomon. They do not even notice not one single researcher actually claims there was such a chieftain. IF there was a Solomon THEN he was no more than a hilltop chieftain is what they like to cite from Israel Finkelstein. That is not a claim such a person existed. But in their desperation to believe they either do not notice or pretend not to notice it does not support their desired belief.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

Gauche wrote:

I don't deny that there are non-religious aspects of jewry and that one of them is racial.

Ridiculous. Neither Germans nor Jews are a race. That idea died with the real Nazis.

Gauche wrote:
While I'm not going to criticize people for their racial identity

I have no problem pointing out the idea of Jews being a race is just plain ignorant as well as stupid.

Gauche wrote:
or ethnic origin,

Nor do I have a problem pointing out that is also a stupid idea and issuing a challenge for any ethnic characteristic that covers ALL Jews and which is unrelated to religion. So far I have had no takers much less a successful presentation of such a characteristic.

Gauche wrote:
it would be dishonest for me to pretend that I only want to disparage their religion when there's also a cultural and political aspect that I would also like to degrade.

As there is no "jewish" culture and no "jewish" race and no "jewish" ethnicity and no "jewish" "political aspect" there is no dishonesty involved. Pretending there are such things is a silly pretense.

If you think it is not silly, RECITE examples which show there are things which I have said there are not. Take all the time you need to compose your thoughts.

Gauche wrote:
I see no reason for an atheist (especially if that atheist is me) to be sensitive to people attaching their racial identity to other aspects of their cultural identity which would otherwise be open to criticism and accusing people who level criticism of bigotry. This is an obvious and pathetic ploy to avoid criticism.

The pathos extends to pretending things exist which do not exist and which I have recited above.

Gauche wrote:
If anything I feel duty bound to expose that kind of nonsense by using what has been wrongly classified as bigoted language to bash jews with anti-jew rhetoric.

Do you feel such a duty regarding any other religion? If not why not? Why just this savage, genital mutilating religion? "Because they have suffered so" is not a legitimate answer. It is not as though Jews did not attempt to exterminate Christians -- if you take Acts seriously. Don't start a fight you can't finish.

Gauche wrote:
PS. A Jewmocracy is a democracy where you can do anything except critcize jews. I don't know if someone else made that word before I did.

You mean like in segrated Israel and occupied Jerusalem?

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

wkirby wrote:
I've read your posts and many others. I wasn't targeting you or any of the other contributors here who have the balls to call a spade a spade. I just don't understand why people get so defensive about Jews and why the biggest defense is "what about the Holocaust!"

Their holy holocaust is a all purpose excuse for just about anything they do. As one wag said, Oh yeah? You think you know suffering? My grandmother died in a concentration camp. -- Anonymous Moshe

It justifies the Zionist treatment of the Palestinians even though they decided to go to Palestine and drive off the locals and steal their land before Hitler was born. Israel stirred up both Iraqi wars using their holy holocaust. Israel is now trying to stir up a war with Iran using their holy holocaust.

It is an all purpose excuse mainly because it has never been defined such that the definition can be used to establish what is and what is not included in the term. (Anyone who disagrees post the functional definition.)

On a personal level it is like it is for Anonymous Moshe. His grandmother may have died of old age in a concentration camp as did many Japanese in American concentration camps but Oy the suffering! It gives Moshe a borrowed sense of righteousness as it does to Jewish Israelis.

Imagine Christians doing the same thing based upon their (largely mythical) persecution by Rome. Consider the Christian martyrs. The term means they VOLUNTARILY died. But here holohuggers claim their ancestors were martyrs. I didn't know it was voluntary. Nor am I aware the meaning of the word has changed. But they are sacred martyrs.

Perhaps it has to do with the ancestor worship aspect of Judaism. After WWII Israel treated the "survivors" like dirt, scum who did not have the balls to resist and perhaps rightly so. But if they had died instead of survived they would have been heroic "martyrs" instead of castrated cowards.

And then to willfully exaggerate their holy holocaust they introduced a very self-serving definition of survivor. A survivor is a person who was at any time a citizen of a country that was ruled by the Nazis. This means people who left Germany as infants in their mothers' arms in 1933 get to declare themselves holocaust survivors. But that does not slow down the infantile desire to be a survivor. I know of one man whose family left Germany in the 1920s who was born in the US and still claimed to be a holocaust survivor. There is also the case Irving made famous of the man who was born in 1947 claimed his parents died at Auschwitz.

This exaggerated definition also allows some three million Jewish Russians who never saw a German and who were never near the front in WWII to declare themselves holocaust survivors.*

If you are in the US you are likely aware of the imaginary superiority of those who trace their ancestry to the Mayflower or to being a descendant of the first residents of a city such as San Francisco. Consider the imagined superiority of those who claim to be descendants of martyrs. Read Israeli newspapers and see how common it is as a point of personal pride.

Jews can do no wrong because they were holocausted. Just ask them. It has even been introduced as a legal defense in the US. Descendants of holocaust survivors have been trying to get on the reparations gravy train for decades because of their messed up childhood.

And back to the war on Iran, you can't read a word of hype for that war without the word holocaust being used.

=====

* This is half the solution to the minimum of 5 million holocaust survivors alive in 1945. Anyone want to take a shot at the other half before I debunk the "killed those to young to work" myth by pointing out if that were true there had to have been 27 million survivors in 1945 of that were true?

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


treat2 (not verified)
Posts: 4294964979
Joined: 1969-12-31
User is offlineOffline
wkirby wrote:treat2 wrote:

wkirby wrote:

treat2 wrote:
I take it you've not read quite a few of my posts, in several threads during the past week. Granted, your thread-post was put up some time ago, and I'm a newbie, and I'm uninterested in reading a bunch of posts to discover if your assesment is corrent or not. Not to mention that I don't care. However, as I assume that you're upset with Israel, you might find my posts during the past week show the same. (As to what problem you have with Jews as a whole, or that you envision that this site is another Zionist plot. I suggest you either see a shrink, or start taking your meds again. I've read enough topics and posts even in a week to definitively say that any delusions of this site being a Zionist plot to exclude criticism of all Fundamentalists, but Jews is not true, and I can clearly see that there are lots of topics and posts on the subject of Atheism). 

I've read your posts and many others. I wasn't targeting you or any of the other contributors here who have the balls to call a spade a spade. I just don't understand why people get so defensive about Jews and why the biggest defense is "what about the Holocaust!"

I don't have a problem with Jews as a whole any more than I have a problem with humanity as a whole. I guess it probably stems from my misunderstanding of Jews as a race rather than Jews as a religion. I've hunted far and wide and I can't find any other religious faith that claims the leap to a race - if anyone else has, please let me know. Just because a person follows traditions of a faith doesn't mean they are belong to a faith. I'm not Christian because I celebrate Christmas any more than a Christian is an Anglo-Saxon pagan for celebrating Easter. I can only assume that because I can't get my head around the idea of an ideology transforming into a race, I perceive those defenders of the faith as closet Jews. Take note of the amount of people who jump on anti-Jewish threads and look at the sheer volume of replies compared to pretty much any other posts. Then compare how many responders tip-toe around 'anti-semetic' responses or respond with unwarranted vitriol compared to posts on another topic. Then, just for kicks, have a Tequila shot every time you read "Hitler" or "Holocaust". Just make sure you have a big bottle!

I'm curious as to how you made the leap from the initial post to your reference of a Zionist plot. Makes me laugh as most conspiracy theories do. If there is a Zionist plot to take over the world, all power to them - they can hardly screw it up more than the current world leaders Sticking out tongue If I can't be "Supreme Ruler of the World", I don't really care who is (oh and before you tell me to see a shrink for delusions of granduer - that was a joke!). Perhaps you may want to see someone for a mild case of paranoia?

As to the rest of your reply you're right on track, so thank you. I don't mean exclusively right-wing though. And if I do get banned for pointing out something, so be it.

wkirby wrote:

I'm curious as to how you made the leap from the initial post to your reference of a Zionist plot...

I assume by initial post your referring to your initial post... at least I was, when I responded with something like this site being a Zionist plot.

Do you understand that that
everything is a Zionist plot?
The Jews are resnsible for all that is wrong in this world. They even control the Christians, the U.S., etc. etc., etc., and god forbid Jews mention their
hoocaust.

Ok.... you don't get my
humor.

While you made a point or two which I picked up on and amplified, much of your post also showed exceptional ignorance, and not that you claim do "not understand" Jews, but know it or not, you are clearly anti-semitic with regard to Jews.

I don't think you REALLY want to understand anything about Jews, but in the event that you do want to understand why
there are Atheist Jews, you can begin by learning about the Semitic people.

You do know how to google, and I'm certainly not going to spoonfeed you.

Do you now understand that when I said I'm an equal opportunity basher I wasn't bullshitting?


treat2 (not verified)
Posts: 4294964979
Joined: 1969-12-31
User is offlineOffline
Gauche wrote:I don't deny

Gauche wrote:

I don't deny that there are non-religious aspects of jewry and that one of them is racial. While I'm not going to criticize people for their racial identity or ethnic origin, it would be dishonest for me to pretend that I only want to disparage their religion when there's also a cultural and political aspect that I would also like to degrade.

I see no reason for an atheist (especially if that atheist is me) to be sensitive to people attaching their racial identity to other aspects of their cultural identity which would otherwise be open to criticism and accusing people who level criticism of bigotry. This is an obvious and pathetic ploy to avoid criticism.

If anything I feel duty bound to expose that kind of nonsense by using what has been wrongly classified as bigoted language to bash jews with anti-jew rhetoric.

 

PS. A Jewmocracy is a democracy where you can do anything except critcize jews. I don't know if someone else made that word before I did.

I've not finished reading this thread, but why the hell don't you "grow some balls", and get on with it?

I'm an equal opportunity basher, if you haven't noticed. Do you need approval
of the hive before you go Borg-free, or can't you stand the heat?

As always, don't think that some of the heat might not be from myself. That's not to say that if you've got something intelligent to say that I might jump in to add my own 2 cents.

Why do I do stuff like post shit ke this? Maybe i's because if you've actually got something intelligent to say, say it and stop acting like a "pussy", i.e. waiting for approval of the Borg Queen.


treat2 (not verified)
Posts: 4294964979
Joined: 1969-12-31
User is offlineOffline
Rich Woods wrote: I'm kind

Rich Woods wrote:

 I'm kind of with Gauche on this...Jews suck.. the same as any other of these ridiculous Christian or Muslim religious shitbags.

 

Oh...and BTW...how annoying are the jews for jesus?...how contrary is *that* concept?...it's like "Dykes for Dicks"

LMAO.

I'm gonna overlook your omission of the word "religious", preceding the word Jews, as I take it you're fucking ignorant. lol.


butterbattle
ModeratorSuperfan
butterbattle's picture
Posts: 3945
Joined: 2008-09-12
User is offlineOffline
Have the OP's complaints

Have the OP's complaints been satisfied somewhat by the arrival of A_Nony_Mouse?

Our revels now are ended. These our actors, | As I foretold you, were all spirits, and | Are melted into air, into thin air; | And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, | The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, | The solemn temples, the great globe itself, - Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, | And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, | Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff | As dreams are made on, and our little life | Is rounded with a sleep. - Shakespeare


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
treat2 wrote:I assume by

treat2 wrote:
I assume by initial post your referring to your initial post... at least I was, when I responded with something like this site being a Zionist plot.

Do you understand that that everything is a Zionist plot? The Jews are resnsible for all that is wrong in this world. They even control the Christians, the U.S., etc. etc., etc., and god forbid Jews mention their hoocaust.

Ok.... you don't get my humor.

I get it. But I do not get subverting the statement of fact by claiming it is belief in a zionist plot. Nor do I see misrepresenting a statement so that it appears to be an attack on Jews as individuals instead of Jews as followers of Judaism. Why go along with atheits hiding behind being Jews?

Zionists plotted wiping Palestine off the map and stealing the land for decades and finally succeeded. That is clearly a zionist plot and it is a plot they are proud of. So clearly there are Zionist plots. There is presently a Zionist plot to start a war with Iran. The make no secret of it.

As for mentioning their holy holocaust, mention away. But there are dozens of examples of jewish instigated laws prohibiting questioning their undefined holy holocaust. There have been dozens of criminal prosecutions and civil persecutions of people who decline to speak respectfully of their holy holocaust. How about laws to require respectful speech about Jesus and punishing questioning the status of Jesus as the son of god? What is the difference?

In the US there is an official holocaust remberance day. Heaven forbid there be an official Jesus the son of god day. What is the difference? One was an attempted civil extermination? So let have a day remembering the jewish attempt to exterminate the Christians. What is the difference?

treat2 wrote:
While you made a point or two which I picked up on and amplified, much of your post also showed exceptional ignorance, and not that you claim do "not understand" Jews, but know it or not, you are clearly anti-semitic with regard to Jews.

Which is another example. The only working definition of semite is a person whose native language is a semitic language. That is not the case for the vast majority of Jews. Only about a million Jews in Israel have been hobbled with modern hebrew as a birth language.

treat2 wrote:
I don't think you REALLY want to understand anything about Jews, but in the event that you do want to understand why there are Atheist Jews, you can begin by learning about the Semitic people.

How can there be atheist Jews when nothing but religion is a common denominator for Jews? Just because the retard Zionists invented the idea of a jewish people all they have a repetition not rational thought as the basis of that idea.

treat2 wrote:
You do know how to google, and I'm certainly not going to spoonfeed you.

Do you now understand that when I said I'm an equal opportunity basher I wasn't bullshitting?

But you are remarkably defensive of the fake Jews who are really atheists.

You are also remarkably defensive of their holy holocaust when casting it only in light of their speaking of it when you have to know of the criminal and civil persecution of those who question it. If it were only speaking of it no one would care in the least. But the holy holocaust as a matter of civil reverence to the level of a religion is well known.

As to "know it or not" you are antisemitic, that brings up the undefined, ever shifting application of antisemitic as a pejorative. As Joe Sobran observed many years ago antisemitic means someone Jews don't like because that is the only definition which fits the usage of the word. I don't want to go into anecdotes again but as a result of questioning their holy holocaust I, my son and my father began getting telephone death threats. An operator was good enough to give me the name of the owner of the phone number called from. That is another story.

The "know it or not" is common. It leads to the paranoid delusion that only a Nazi would be an antisemite. From there the supreme logic of a paranoid takes over. Nazi killed Jews. This man will kill Jews. Jews can do anything to prevent this Nazi from killing Jews. Thus death threats. So also thought crimes laws. So also laws against the human right of freedom of speech. So also harrassing employers and ISPs. So also everything Jews would call antisemitic if done to a Jew.

"Know it or not you are antisemitic" and "I can call anything antisemitic" is right out of a Stalinist show trial. It is also right out of the Nuremberg trials but that is another story. It also worked well for the Inquisition although they defined things a bit better because they could tailor the confession to the charges.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

butterbattle wrote:

Have the OP's complaints been satisfied somewhat by the arrival of A_Nony_Mouse?

I got here as soon as I could after getting the text message.


 

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


treat2 (not verified)
Posts: 4294964979
Joined: 1969-12-31
User is offlineOffline
LMMFAO! A_Nony_Mouse,

LMMFAO!

A_Nony_Mouse, reposting neo-nazi bullshit not only failed to spark a debate or discussion, but it also failed to ignite a large sushi fart.

That post wasn't even serious enough to even get you thrown out of a synagogue.


spike.barnett
Superfan
spike.barnett's picture
Posts: 1018
Joined: 2008-10-24
User is offlineOffline
A_Nony_Mouse wrote:I got

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

I got here as soon as I could after getting the text message.

It seems as though you wait for these kinds of posts. As long as I been here, I have never seen you start a thread that did not relate to Jews. I also have noticed a vast majority of your replies to other member's threads bash Jews weather or not there was any previous mention of Jews, or the thread had anything to do with Jews. You have also called people, myself included, "closet-Jews" for not agreeing with your posts. Your tactics remind me very much of McCarthyism. I get the impression that you are antisemitic from these types of behavior more so than the actual content of said posts. If you take issue with that so be it, but don't tell this sob story about how the mods treated you unfairly.

There is a code of conduct which you routinely break in order to enter your antisemitic tirades. The mods have every right to enforce it and were a fair bit nicer about it than I would've been. It's one thing to disagree with the way Israel is handling the Gaza strip and express that opinion. It's another to talk about it in unrelated threads, and then lob accusations at the mods for punishing your constant derailments.

After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him.

The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.
MySpace


wkirby
Posts: 69
Joined: 2009-04-12
User is offlineOffline
treat2 wrote: While you

treat2 wrote:
While you made a point or two which I picked up on and amplified, much of your post also showed exceptional ignorance, and not that you claim do "not understand" Jews, but know it or not, you are clearly anti-semitic with regard to Jews. I don't think you REALLY want to understand anything about Jews, but in the event that you do want to understand why there are Atheist Jews, you can begin by learning about the Semitic people. 

By this definition, yes I am anti-semetic. I am also anti-Christian, anti-muslim, anti-buddist, anti-sikh, and anti any other theology you want to throw at me. So should you be if you are posting to a forum for non-theists.

However I like to think of myself as a "non-semetic" and "non-everthing else" in the same way I'm a non-smoker. I don't smoke but couldn't care less if people want to smoke in front of me as opposed to telling every smoker I meet they're going to die of lung cancer.

You're right, I don't REALLY want to understand Jews, I have as much interest in them and their culture as I do the Amazon tribes of Sth America (incidentally, does that make me anti-amazon? If yes, I guess I'm that as well) - I want to understand why people in this forum feel the need to defend them but not other faiths.

Why can't people accept that Atheism is by definition no faith? I don't believe in Atheism, I simply am Atheist.


spike.barnett
Superfan
spike.barnett's picture
Posts: 1018
Joined: 2008-10-24
User is offlineOffline
treat2 wrote:LMMFAO!

treat2 wrote:
LMMFAO! A_Nony_Mouse, reposting neo-nazi bullshit not only failed to spark a debate or discussion, but it also failed to ignite a large sushi fart. That post wasn't even serious enough to even get you thrown out of a synagogue.

I think most people here just ignore him now. I do for the most part. His mod bashing didn't sit right with me though so I had to call him out on it. The mods here seem fair to me, which is saying a lot given the amount of e-drama one would expect on a forum primarily discussing religion.

After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him.

The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.
MySpace


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

treat2 wrote:
LMMFAO! A_Nony_Mouse, reposting neo-nazi bullshit not only failed to spark a debate or discussion, but it also failed to ignite a large sushi fart. That post wasn't even serious enough to even get you thrown out of a synagogue.

As a matter of fact have not been thrown out of a synagogue since I showed up only wearing a Talith. I have since learned not to forget my kippot.

But which post are you talking about? The ones that people lied about and misrepresented which resulted in my being temporarily banned from posting to this website or some more recent post?

Are you talking about the ones where I show there is no history in the OT and there were no Jews until after the Greeks took over bibleland?

You have a lot to choose from.

If I wanted to stir up a pissing contest I certainly could. I have done it in the good old BBS days when juvenile personality contests were so very common. But I am not interested in doing that here. This is for atheists and I have restricted myself to posting material useful in the support of atheism. Fake atheists who call themselves Jews started objecting. I only brought up the OT being total nonsense. They insisted upon interjecting the modern day idea of individual Jews into it.

But that is all digression. I do not expect to stir troubles because I stick to posting facts which are supportable by the evidence and exposing beliefs for which there is no physical evidence. A lot follows from that but that is all I have done in support of atheism. Any questions regarding why I concentrate upon the old testament are answered my thread, Strike the root. It is the most effective place to apply the effort.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


wkirby
Posts: 69
Joined: 2009-04-12
User is offlineOffline
butterbattle wrote:Have the

butterbattle wrote:

Have the OP's complaints been satisfied somewhat by the arrival of A_Nony_Mouse?

Actually, no.

A_Nony_Mouse approaches this topic from the extreme opposite end. Predictably he has jumped on the soapbox and put forward a number of points but the fact that he is the only one to attempt a genuine argument to support his opinions just goes to underline the OP.

I also note that in almost every reply he has asked those with an opposing point of view to prove him wrong and so far no-one has taken up the challenge.

Predictably I have also been labeled and anti-semite. Even better, labeled an anti-semite as if that's a bad thing. Why should I be offended by someone saying I'm anti any religion? I'm an out and proud atheist. Where are the accusations of "anti-mormon" and "anti-satanist", because I am these also.

I'd also like to say that upon re-reading the OP it reads a bit too harshly. I didn't mean to imply that everyone here is a Jewish defender, just that there seems to be quite a few around and precious few defenders of other faiths - this seems to me to be quite odd. I apologize if I've upset some of the other 'anti-semites' among us - for those who don't consider themselves to be anti-semite (based on the definitions this post has responded with) you can kiss my furry ass. In other areas of the site it's fine to have theists mixing it and defining arguments for or against certain beliefs but this particular forum is very specific in pointing out "No Theists allowed".

Why can't people accept that Atheism is by definition no faith? I don't believe in Atheism, I simply am Atheist.


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

spike.barnett wrote:
A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

I got here as soon as I could after getting the text message.

It seems as though you wait for these kinds of posts. As long as I been here, I have never seen you start a thread that did not relate to Jews.

And I get so many responses like yours which lead to further replies on the subject of Jews. You will note you are perpetuating the topic in this thread. While I have many areas of interest some of my most extensive investigations have been with regard to the bible and in particular the OT. I did not take this up for fun but in my exploration of ancient history (soc.history.ancient for some 15 years) I was constantly confronted with newbies declared the truth of the OT.

Having learned more than I ever wanted to know because of the exchanges with believers I happen to know quite a bit about the subject. As this is an atheist organization and it is fashionable to refer to our "judeo-christian" heritage upon what grounds do you find any participation of mine unusual?

As to your experience it is apparently tainted by your interest in these same topics. I have started, not just participated in, threads which are only peripherally related to the bible such at the one on contrarian positions on gays as opposed to self interest. I assume some place this software has a function which identifies people by their posts. I have not looked for it. If it exists you might try using it to see all the other subjects on which I have posted as well as the threads I have started.

I particularly like my post on the three women at the tomb but I can't say it is for everyone.

spike.barnett wrote:
I also have noticed a vast majority of your replies to other member's threads bash Jews weather or not there was any previous mention of Jews, or the thread had anything to do with Jews. You have also called people, myself included, "closet-Jews" for not agreeing with your posts. Your tactics remind me very much of McCarthyism. I get the impression that you are antisemitic from these types of behavior more so than the actual content of said posts. If you take issue with that so be it, but don't tell this sob story about how the mods treated you unfairly.

This is an obvious disconnect between what you have noted and what I have posted. If you have specific examples of the posts you are referring to please post them with the proper link to them. Consider this an extension of the challenge I have previously posted. For example I have said fake atheists but I do not recall ever using closet Jews. If your issue is refusal to recognize the oxymoron of atheist Jew my challenge to present anything other than religion which unites Jews is still open. Be the first to accept the challenge.

What your feel about my posts as opposed to their content is your problem. I don't understand that kind of thing. It is the sort of thing that gets me crosswise with women for not understanding what they feel.

As to the moderators, I am simply recounting events as they occurred. I have never said moderators are perfect nor have I complained about anything save the one week turning into three. Moderators are human. But it is also a fact that what I have posted was misrepresented and there is still an open challenge for anyone to present any post with quotations and show there is anything anti but anti religion or anti zionism in it. If someone should take up that challenge I will show why the anti is fully justified by facts and not any kind of prejudice.

Want to take up the challenge?

spike.barnett wrote:
There is a code of conduct which you routinely break

That is a new one on me. Please give me the URL to this code of conduct and the specfic provision(s) you say I am breaking and the manner in which I am doing so. I await your reply.

spike.barnett wrote:
in order to enter your antisemitic tirades. The mods have every right to enforce it and were a fair bit nicer about it than I would've been. It's one thing to disagree with the way Israel is handling the Gaza strip and express that opinion. It's another to talk about it in unrelated threads, and then lob accusations at the mods for punishing your constant derailments.

I note the assertion of antisemitic by which I assume you mean anti jewish. In the good old days that would mean talking about Pesach blood and the like. These days antisemitic can even be applied to simply mentioning the atrocities committed by the animal zionists. Addressing the Spanish atrocities in the New World is not anticatholic. The Conquistador perps happened to be Catholic just as the Zionist perps happened to be Jewish. I have never said the Zionists committed their crimes because they were Jews nor because of Judaism. Nor do I think such an idea is anything but laughable.

Yet the Zionists animals are defended by attacking those who identify the zionist crimes as being antisemites. Imagine if the history of Spain in the New World had to be told from the viewpoint of the Spanish desire to save souls. We do not have to imagine being required to tell the story of zionism in terms of jewish suffering. (cue the James Bond song, Nobody does it better.)

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

wkirby wrote:
butterbattle wrote:

Have the OP's complaints been satisfied somewhat by the arrival of A_Nony_Mouse?

Actually, no.

A_Nony_Mouse approaches this topic from the extreme opposite end. Predictably he has jumped on the soapbox and put forward a number of points but the fact that he is the only one to attempt a genuine argument to support his opinions just goes to underline the OP.

I guess is slept through the briefing. What is an OP?

wkirby wrote:
I also note that in almost every reply he has asked those with an opposing point of view to prove him wrong and so far no-one has taken up the challenge.

Predictably I have also been labeled and anti-semite. Even better, labeled an anti-semite as if that's a bad thing. Why should I be offended by someone saying I'm anti any religion? I'm an out and proud atheist. Where are the accusations of "anti-mormon" and "anti-satanist", because I am these also.

At least with a satanist you can't say you weren't warned. No hypocrisy there.

wkirby wrote:
I'd also like to say that upon re-reading the OP it reads a bit too harshly. I didn't mean to imply that everyone here is a Jewish defender, just that there seems to be quite a few around and precious few defenders of other faiths - this seems to me to be quite odd.

In fact at times I have made posts which could be considered defenses of Christianity, Islam and Judaism. I have done so when the accusation is factually in error. That does not mean the correction is favorable. Usually it is simply putting the criticism on a more solid basis. For example the Spanish did NOT steal the lands of the Aztecs. The women owned the land. They married Aztec women. They gained control of the land by marriage. And killing a husband to take his wife was nothing new to Aztecs. Leave out the theology and the problem with the Spanish is they went native. Nor did they introduce either slavery or forced labor into the culture.

wkirby wrote:
I apologize if I've upset some of the other 'anti-semites' among us - for those who don't consider themselves to be anti-semite (based on the definitions this post has responded with) you can kiss my furry ass.

I really did not need to know it is furry. Of course furry is a kink all of its own.

wkirby wrote:
In other areas of the site it's fine to have theists mixing it and defining arguments for or against certain beliefs but this particular forum is very specific in pointing out "No Theists allowed".

That is a provision I have also cited and then defined Jews as those who are followers of Judaism. People may not agree with me but at least they know who I am talking about when I say Jews. Yet people whom I do not consider Jews because they are atheists continue to tell me how much I hate Jews.

These are very strange people.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


wkirby
Posts: 69
Joined: 2009-04-12
User is offlineOffline
A_Nony_Mouse wrote:wkirby

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

wkirby wrote:
butterbattle wrote:

Have the OP's complaints been satisfied somewhat by the arrival of A_Nony_Mouse?

Actually, no.

A_Nony_Mouse approaches this topic from the extreme opposite end. Predictably he has jumped on the soapbox and put forward a number of points but the fact that he is the only one to attempt a genuine argument to support his opinions just goes to underline the OP.

I guess is slept through the briefing. What is an OP?

OP = Original Post(er)

Why can't people accept that Atheism is by definition no faith? I don't believe in Atheism, I simply am Atheist.


Gauche
atheist
Gauche's picture
Posts: 1565
Joined: 2007-01-18
User is offlineOffline
A_Nony_Mouse

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Ridiculous. Neither Germans nor Jews are a race. That idea died with the real Nazis.

I have no problem pointing out the idea of Jews being a race is just plain ignorant as well as stupid.

I think "race" may be more of a social construct than a taxonomic one. Self-identification may be enough for people to call themselves a race. At any rate I'm not going to argue with someone over it, but if you want to then have at it.
 

Quote:
Nor do I have a problem pointing out that is also a stupid idea and issuing a challenge for any ethnic characteristic that covers ALL Jews and which is unrelated to religion. So far I have had no takers much less a successful presentation of such a characteristic.


As there is no "jewish" culture and no "jewish" race and no "jewish" ethnicity and no "jewish" "political aspect" there is no dishonesty involved. Pretending there are such things is a silly pretense.

If you think it is not silly, RECITE examples which show there are things which I have said there are not. Take all the time you need to compose your thoughts.

I think it's pretty apparent that there's a political aspect of jewry called zionism. Make it clear what you mean by "culture" and "ethnicity" and I'll try to provide examples.
 

Quote:
Do you feel such a duty regarding any other religion? If not why not? Why just this savage, genital mutilating religion? "Because they have suffered so" is not a legitimate answer. It is not as though Jews did not attempt to exterminate Christians -- if you take Acts seriously. Don't start a fight you can't finish.

Now I'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore. Can you say it in less crazy language or is that asking too much?

There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft


Gauche
atheist
Gauche's picture
Posts: 1565
Joined: 2007-01-18
User is offlineOffline
treat2 wrote: I've not

treat2 wrote:
I've not finished reading this thread, but why the hell don't you "grow some balls", and get on with it? I'm an equal opportunity basher, if you haven't noticed. Do you need approval of the hive before you go Borg-free, or can't you stand the heat? As always, don't think that some of the heat might not be from myself. That's not to say that if you've got something intelligent to say that I might jump in to add my own 2 cents. Why do I do stuff like post shit ke this? Maybe i's because if you've actually got something intelligent to say, say it and stop acting like a "pussy", i.e. waiting for approval of the Borg Queen.

What are you trying to incite exactly? See, this is the problem with jew-bashing. Eventually weirdos with way too much invested in it will chime in. I guess in your next post you'll up this to a triple-dog-dare. Don't worry about if other people have something intelligent to say until you do..

There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft


Rich Woods
Rational VIP!
Rich Woods's picture
Posts: 868
Joined: 2008-02-06
User is offlineOffline
Gee treat...a tad

Gee treat...a tad oversensitive are we?... I really don't know what to say... although "Go Fuck Yourself" comes to mind....perhaps *you* are the ignorant one...


spike.barnett
Superfan
spike.barnett's picture
Posts: 1018
Joined: 2008-10-24
User is offlineOffline
A_Nony_Mouse wrote:This is

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

This is an obvious disconnect between what you have noted and what I have posted. If you have specific examples of the posts you are referring to please post them with the proper link to them. Consider this an extension of the challenge I have previously posted.

If that's the way you want to play it... here you go.

Inventing the Jewish Race

The invention of the Jewish people

explaining the invented Hebrew and OT

Freethinking censored?

Gaza: The answer to an atheist's prayer

How many times has the Christian bible been changed?

When were you discriminated against for being an atheist?

There's a few. Though all any one really has to do is look at your signature link.

After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him.

The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.
MySpace


treat2 (not verified)
Posts: 4294964979
Joined: 1969-12-31
User is offlineOffline
spike.barnett wrote:treat2

spike.barnett wrote:

treat2 wrote:
LMMFAO! A_Nony_Mouse, reposting neo-nazi bullshit not only failed to spark a debate or discussion, but it also failed to ignite a large sushi fart. That post wasn't even serious enough to even get you thrown out of a synagogue.

I think most people here just ignore him now. I do for the most part. His mod bashing didn't sit right with me though so I had to call him out on it. The mods here seem fair to me, which is saying a lot given the amount of e-drama one would expect on a forum primarily discussing religion.

Do you REALLY believe that all or even most of the users at all Boards on the Net are not the Mods?

Geez!

Sure there actually are assholes on the Net,
but all Boards on the Net implement the same crap.

I NEVER assume ANY user on a Board is anything other than
Mod(s). That includes you, too.

As for the 2 user ids above and there posts... it's garbage. I don't even bother reading posts that are clearly idiotic. All it usually takes is to read the 1st word, sentence or paragraph.

I prefer to have anyone sting B.S. to be wasting their time posting a blog of B.S..

It gives me great pleasure to know how much time and effort
assholes put into posts that
I don't bother reading.

Here's another clue...

Any st or thread which starts with your userid is B.S.

When I respond to anything, it's only because I'm amused,
or exercising my brain, or faking it. Which of those is the case is not something that you'll ever know.

BTW. In the event you're not working for this site and may
not have been in enough Forums to not give a shit...
here's somme unsolicited advice... never take anything personally on the Net, never care about getting banned from ANY Board. There are COUNTLESS Boards on the Net,
and as I said in some earlier post(s) I've been banned from at least 150. I never counted, over the past 10 years.

BTW. I'm not talking about having been banned from Republican or Theist Boards, just the opposite.


treat2 (not verified)
Posts: 4294964979
Joined: 1969-12-31
User is offlineOffline
wkirby wrote:treat2 wrote:

wkirby wrote:

treat2 wrote:
While you made a point or two which I picked up on and amplified, much of your post also showed exceptional ignorance, and not that you claim do "not understand" Jews, but know it or not, you are clearly anti-semitic with regard to Jews. I don't think you REALLY want to understand anything about Jews, but in the event that you do want to understand why there are Atheist Jews, you can begin by learning about the Semitic people. 

By this definition, yes I am anti-semetic. I am also anti-Christian, anti-muslim, anti-buddist, anti-sikh, and anti any other theology you want to throw at me. So should you be if you are posting to a forum for non-theists.

However I like to think of myself as a "non-semetic" and "non-everthing else" in the same way I'm a non-smoker. I don't smoke but couldn't care less if people want to smoke in front of me as opposed to telling every smoker I meet they're going to die of lung cancer.

You're right, I don't REALLY want to understand Jews, I have as much interest in them and their culture as I do the Amazon tribes of Sth America (incidentally, does that make me anti-amazon? If yes, I guess I'm that as well) - I want to understand why people in this forum feel the need to defend them but not other faiths.

You and your buddies seem to be very angry. I'm not clear as to what you're angry about.

Have you consulted a Shrink,
or forgotten to take yor Meds?

If there was something posted to discuss, agree with, or even debate, I'd do so, but you've been blogging me to death with a bunch of rants.


treat2 (not verified)
Posts: 4294964979
Joined: 1969-12-31
User is offlineOffline
Rich Woods wrote:Gee

Rich Woods wrote:

Gee treat...a tad oversensitive are we?... I really don't know what to say... although "Go Fuck Yourself" comes to mind....perhaps *you* are the ignorant one...

Ouch! That really hurt my feelings. Bwaaa!


wkirby
Posts: 69
Joined: 2009-04-12
User is offlineOffline
treat2 wrote: You and your

treat2 wrote:
You and your buddies seem to be very angry. I'm not clear as to what you're angry about. Have you consulted a Shrink, or forgotten to take yor Meds? If there was something posted to discuss, agree with, or even debate, I'd do so, but you've been blogging me to death with a bunch of rants.

Ummm, I'm not angry about anything... I'm trying to engage in discussion.

I don't understand why your default answer is "consult a shrink or back on your meds". This is not a response to anything. It doesn't propose a new idea or put forward a valid alternative. It is childish and puerile.

Am I ranting? I apologize, I am trying to invoke thought and ideas. I must be mistaken but I thought the whole idea of a forum was for people to engage in discourse about various topics. I don't understand how I'm blogging you to death, I posted a comment on the site and in doing so invited others to dispute, debate, deny, support or reject outright. You have responded a number of times with comments and accusation, I have in turn responded to you for the most part answering questions you've posed. You don't need to subscibe to this thread if it bores you. You aren't obliged to respond to this posting. Again, how am I blogging you to death?

As a sidebar, I also note that you're quite proud of the fact you've been banned from 150 forums. Have you ever stopped to consider why 150 forums felt justified in removing you?

Why can't people accept that Atheism is by definition no faith? I don't believe in Atheism, I simply am Atheist.


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

spike.barnett wrote:
A_Nony_Mouse wrote:
This is an obvious disconnect between what you have noted and what I have posted. If you have specific examples of the posts you are referring to please post them with the proper link to them. Consider this an extension of the challenge I have previously posted.

If that's the way you want to play it... here you go.

That is a rather small sample and includes those which only address perception not the facts. It is a small sample and not representative. However

Both are mine but after the response (typical claims of antisemite) I created the second started with an Israeli review of an Israeli best seller written by a jewish, Israeli historian who is says many of the same things I posted in the first. Thus it is proper to consider the second a rebuttal to the retarded accusasion of antisemite. Thus an honest person would only count it as one.

But where is the factual error in either post? If there is no error, and no one has as yet identified an error, what is your objection? If there is no error what is your objection?

This is solely an exercise in demolishing religious claims of two major religions, Chistianity and Islam, by dealing with the nonsense claims of their root religion. Again I ask after the error(s) in it. If there is no error what is your problem? If there is an error please identify it? As to the atheist interest it addresses an entire segment of the believers' claim to the OT being ancient and inspired as well as the question they beg How could a people survive all this unless...?

Not quite jewish.

spike.barnett wrote:
When were you discriminated against for being an atheist?

There's a few. Though all any one really has to do is look at your signature link.

What specifically is your problem with what I posted in those threads? What do you divine from this small sample? Are you claiming they are inappropriate?

Notice for the quote you posted I included this.

 

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:
Consider this an extension of the challenge I have previously posted
 

If I was unclear that previous challenge is to show what is wrong with what I have posted. I have taken the liberty to repeat that challenge several times in this reply. The truth cannot be antisemitic. If you think it antisemitic to expose the root of the evils of the two major world religions that is your problem. If you are surprised it comes up in discussions of religions you have lead a very sheltered life.

If you are uncomfortable with it, as an atheist you will have to learn to live with it. No religion gets a pass. The root of the evils of the major religions definitely deserves most of the time in the barrel.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
Gauche wrote:A_Nony_Mouse

Gauche wrote:

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

Ridiculous. Neither Germans nor Jews are a race. That idea died with the real Nazis.

I have no problem pointing out the idea of Jews being a race is just plain ignorant as well as stupid.

I think "race" may be more of a social construct than a taxonomic one.

Whatever it might be it has to have a definition. That is the way words are. That is sort of the main reason we have them. It does not in fact fit used in anthropology. That is the one where two Wongs don't make a White.

Gauche wrote:
Self-identification may be enough for people to call themselves a race. At any rate I'm not going to argue with someone over it, but if you want to then have at it.

I was of the impression the idea of nations being races (British, French, Scot, Irish) fell out of fashion after the German race lost a war back in the 40s. Because of the reason it fell out of use I find it quite odd used refering to Jews.

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:
Nor do I have a problem pointing out that is also a stupid idea and issuing a challenge for any ethnic characteristic that covers ALL Jews and which is unrelated to religion. So far I have had no takers much less a successful presentation of such a characteristic.
As there is no "jewish" culture and no "jewish" race and no "jewish" ethnicity and no "jewish" "political aspect" there is no dishonesty involved. Pretending there are such things is a silly pretense.

If you think it is not silly, RECITE examples which show there are things which I have said there are not. Take all the time you need to compose your thoughts.

I think it's pretty apparent that there's a political aspect of jewry called zionism. Make it clear what you mean by "culture" and "ethnicity" and I'll try to provide examples.

Not all Jews are zionists. As for making the other two clear, can't be done. I use those words as those are the ones used to imagine a jewish ethnic group and jewish culture. It is clear to me there are no such things. That is why I challenge those who claim there are to demonstrate it.

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:
Do you feel such a duty regarding any other religion? If not why not? Why just this savage, genital mutilating religion? "Because they have suffered so" is not a legitimate answer. It is not as though Jews did not attempt to exterminate Christians -- if you take Acts seriously. Don't start a fight you can't finish.

Now I'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore. Can you say it in less crazy language or is that asking too much?

I had assumed you had been reading the thread and would understand in context. Try reading the first post. Add to that my elementary observation that an atheist cannot be a Jew because a Jew is a follower of Judaism.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml


spike.barnett
Superfan
spike.barnett's picture
Posts: 1018
Joined: 2008-10-24
User is offlineOffline
treat2 wrote:spike.barnett

treat2 wrote:
spike.barnett wrote:

treat2 wrote:
LMMFAO! A_Nony_Mouse, reposting neo-nazi bullshit not only failed to spark a debate or discussion, but it also failed to ignite a large sushi fart. That post wasn't even serious enough to even get you thrown out of a synagogue.

I think most people here just ignore him now. I do for the most part. His mod bashing didn't sit right with me though so I had to call him out on it. The mods here seem fair to me, which is saying a lot given the amount of e-drama one would expect on a forum primarily discussing religion.

Do you REALLY believe that all or even most of the users at all Boards on the Net are not the Mods? Geez! Sure there actually are assholes on the Net, but all Boards on the Net implement the same crap. I NEVER assume ANY user on a Board is anything other than Mod(s). That includes you, too.

Are you out of your mind? I'm no more a mod for this forum than you are. Get a grip.

treat2 wrote:

As for the 2 user ids above and there posts... it's garbage. I don't even bother reading posts that are clearly idiotic. All it usually takes is to read the 1st word, sentence or paragraph.

I can plainly see in your post that rule has merit.

treat2 wrote:

here's somme unsolicited advice... never take anything personally on the Net, never care about getting banned from ANY Board. There are COUNTLESS Boards on the Net, and as I said in some earlier post(s) I've been banned from at least 150. I never counted, over the past 10 years. BTW. I'm not talking about having been banned from Republican or Theist Boards, just the opposite.

You seem to be making the mistake in assuming I give a shit what you post either. I don't care if you got banned from 15,000 forums. Claims of e-bravery don't go very far. I think you got banned from 150 forums because you're annoying. In an separate matter, work on your grammar.

After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him.

The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.
MySpace


spike.barnett
Superfan
spike.barnett's picture
Posts: 1018
Joined: 2008-10-24
User is offlineOffline
A_Nony_Mouse wrote:If there

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

If there is an error please identify it?

I see where this is going and I don't much care for it. You expect me to root through all of your post picking out examples. Well, it's not going to happen. I've got better things to do. The argument "If you can't find the problem with my idea then it's true" doesn't fly.

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

If you are uncomfortable with it, as an atheist you will have to learn to live with it. No religion gets a pass. The root of the evils of the major religions definitely deserves most of the time in the barrel.

I don't have a problem with the Jewish religion taking the blame for it's short comings. I have a problem with you making up problems.

After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him.

The moral: When you're full of bull, keep your mouth shut.
MySpace


Kevin R Brown
Superfan
Kevin R Brown's picture
Posts: 3142
Joined: 2007-06-24
User is offlineOffline
Oh, good. You guys *had* to

Oh, good. You guys *had* to bring up the holocaust and get 'Nony going again, didn't you?

Sticking out tongue

 

 

Quote:
"Natasha has just come up to the window from the courtyard and opened it wider so that the air may enter more freely into my room. I can see the bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and the clear blue sky above the wall, and sunlight everywhere. Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression and violence, and enjoy it to the full."

- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940


A_Nony_Mouse
atheist
A_Nony_Mouse's picture
Posts: 2880
Joined: 2008-04-23
User is offlineOffline
.

spike.barnett wrote:

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

If there is an error please identify it?

I see where this is going and I don't much care for it. You expect me to root through all of your post picking out examples. Well, it's not going to happen. I've got better things to do. The argument "If you can't find the problem with my idea then it's true" doesn't fly.

I do not expect you to root through anything. I do expect that if you have a complaint about what I post that the complaint has a factual basis which you would have noted at the time of reading. So far your objection is not to the factual nature of my posts but to pointing out those facts. An objection like that is in the category of a whine.

spike.barnett wrote:
A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

If you are uncomfortable with it, as an atheist you will have to learn to live with it. No religion gets a pass. The root of the evils of the major religions definitely deserves most of the time in the barrel.

I don't have a problem with the Jewish religion taking the blame for it's short comings. I have a problem with you making up problems.

There you go again. You accuse me of making up problems BUT you are unable to identify a single problem I made up, invented if you will. And you will not take the time to "root through" my posts to find things which support your scurrilous allegation. That is a cop out. That is an admission your allegations are in fact false.

As I noted, the hostility towards me is NOT based upon anything I have said. And I have invited recitation of what I have said which is in fact objectionable. Still not takers and you can't be bothered to produce evidence in support of your false assertion.

Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.

www.ussliberty.org

www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html

www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml