When FOX reports it, you know it's serious

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When FOX reports it, you know it's serious

 FOX News is reporting a recent study indicating that religiosity is decreasing across the board in America.  

FOX News wrote:
Fifteen percent of respondents said they had no religion, an increase from 14.2 percent in 2001 and 8.2 percent in 1990, according to the American Religious Identification Survey.

Northern New England surpassed the Pacific Northwest as the least religious region, with Vermont reporting the highest share of those claiming no religion, at 34 percent. Still, the study found that the numbers of Americans with no religion rose in every state.

 

"No other religious bloc has kept such a pace in every state," the study's authors said.

In the Northeast, self-identified Catholics made up 36 percent of adults last year, down from 43 percent in 1990. At the same time, however, Catholics grew to about one-third of the adult population in California and Texas, and one-quarter of Floridians, largely due to Latino immigration, according to the research.

Nationally, Catholics remain the largest religious group, with 57 million people saying they belong to the church. The tradition gained 11 million followers since 1990, but its share of the population fell by about a percentage point to 25 percent.

Of particular note is the size of this study (>50,000) and the margin of error (+/- 0.5%) which combine to give us a very strong confidence in the results.  We are making real progress.  The down side is that a small but significant portion of Americans are shifting away from traditional monotheist religion, but embracing Scientology and other "alternative" religions instead.  Muslims now account for 0.6% of the population.  That's an increase, folks.

 

 

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Beat me to it

I found the same study on cnn http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/03/09/us.religion.less.christian/index.html was about to post it when I read yours......DAMN YOU HAMBY DAMN YOU TO....umm hmm HELL, HELL MICHIGAN!!!!!


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The Age of Reason approaches.

The Age of Reason approaches.


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Quote:The Age of Reason

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The Age of Reason approaches.

That, or the Age of *shudder* Postmodernism.


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I wonder if they

I wonder if they distinguished between atheist and Deist for the "no religion"

 

 


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 I would imagine so.  In

 I would imagine so.  In fact, since this study was conducted by a religious school, I'd imagine that if they were going to err on either side, they'd err on the side showing more people being religious.

Then again, there are what... a hundred and fifty true deists in the States?  I doubt it really matters.

 

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BTW it was the Evangelical

BTW it was the Evangelical group that lead Bush to his elections. Now when the crybaby fundies cry "majority rule" they do that because they lack basic civics.

Our system is based on competition, so it wasnt that a majority ruled, but in the case of the Evangelical minority, they merely sucessfully out marketed and outsold their motif and got a majority to follow them, so in reality for 8 years a minority ruled.

Did anyone notice the numbers of self proclaimed "Evangelicals"? It wasn't as big as I thought it was. Certainly a group that the non-religious and atheist group could compete with.

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Quote:I wonder if they

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I wonder if they distinguished between atheist and Deist for the "no religion"

The wording used in the study makes me lean towards, "No".

 

I think many people who believe in a magical deity (yourself included?) would still report that they were 'not religious' so long as they did not adhere to an orthodox position.

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Cpt_pineapple wrote:I wonder

Cpt_pineapple wrote:

I wonder if they distinguished between atheist and Deist for the "no religion"

 

This very good point has always irritated me. There's no telling how the media portrays having a religion, being atheist, being agnostic, being theistic, deistic, blah blah blah.

And even worse, how they gather this kind of data. Or worse than that, how people will interpret these surveys.

Who knows? I guess there is an implication that this is a good sign for atheists, but it's unfortunately not clear what they are really talking about.


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Or in other words, stop

Or in other words, stop bursting my illusions or you'll make me cry myself to sleep.


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 Hmm... I hadn't considered

 Hmm... I hadn't considered "no religion" being equated with deism, but I suppose it's true.  Didn't I read something in that article about the number of people who believe in a "personal god"?   Dammit... now I have to check...

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Why yes...

FOX News wrote:
About 12 percent of Americans believe in a higher power but not the personal God at the core of monotheistic faiths. And, since 1990, a slightly greater share of respondents — 1.2 percent — said they were part of new religious movements, including Scientology, Wicca and Santeria.
 

That seems to indicate that they did make allowances for people with alternate beliefs of god, such as deists.

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Take heart don't let the

Take heart don't let the semantics fool you when there is an increase over all over rejection of authoritarian dogmatism and a growing rejection of domatism mixing with politics.

 

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Quote:That seems to indicate

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That seems to indicate that they did make allowances for people with alternate beliefs of god, such as deists.

Oh, neat.

See? Real researches are always so much more clever than we give them credit for. Sticking out tongue

 

I'll retract my prior leanings, then. We really may be making some progress afterall.

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Hambydammit wrote: I would

Hambydammit wrote:

 I would imagine so.  In fact, since this study was conducted by a religious school, I'd imagine that if they were going to err on either side, they'd err on the side showing more people being religious.

Then again, there are what... a hundred and fifty true deists in the States?  I doubt it really matters.

 

I don't know man. I recently had a college professor state in my presence that all christians were deists. I'm not sure that the term is seeing proper usage en masse.

Maybe he just had a slip, but it's not a common enough term for me to give him that.

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The AP had this too

Heh. I just put this story into my paper yesterday. The AP had it for several days, but only released it yesterday.

Personally, I just think it's sort of interesting that this was a survey done by Trinity College. I have no idea what they were trying to do, or what their point is. It just leaves me scratching my head.

 

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Well, y'know... The easy,

Well, y'know...

 

The easy, inuitive reaction that comes to mind is, "Hey, it's Faux and some Voo Doo university. If anything, they'd be exaggerating the numbers in favor of the religious - so this is pretty good news!"

...But something else occurred to me (...perhaps due to my tendency to want to dismiss absolutely *anything* ran of Faux News as a lie Sticking out tongue ):

 

Counter-intuitively, isn't the smarter play for Fox and religious schools to 'play possum', as it were? I mean, if I wanted to sell people on the typical Christian charges of discrimination and championing of martyrdom, wouldn't I much prefer to release / publicize a study that tells the evil atheists what they want to hear while rallying the fervor of the God-fearing flock?

 

Meh. Or maybe I'm just paranoid.

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latincanuck wrote:I found

latincanuck wrote:

I found the same study on cnn http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/03/09/us.religion.less.christian/index.html was about to post it when I read yours......DAMN YOU HAMBY DAMN YOU TO....umm hmm HELL, HELL MICHIGAN!!!!!

As a resident of Michigan, I agree with the Hell comparison. I love the state, but the weather is hell.

Also, I predict that the number of non-religious will decrease over the next 3-5 years due to the recession. This may only be a temporary change from the trend of Americans leaving religion, but I think you'll see more people turn to religion in times of personal economic crisis.

 

Finally, the survey showed that people are turning to Wicca, Scientology and Santeria instead of traditional monotheistic religions. Well......I don't practice Santeria, I don't got no crystal ball........

 

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