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Hey guys, i have a very realistic and logical way for approving evolution!

Smoke some grass (marijuana) till you feel properly high. and then sit in a quite place and ask yourself: who/what am i (human)? and where i have come from?

If you think honestly and without any fear of your previous beleives, you would definitly reach to some atheistic solution.

Try this and see the result.


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godisgoneonhoneymoon

godisgoneonhoneymoon wrote:

Hey guys, i have a very realistic and logical way for approving evolution!

Smoke some grass (marijuana) till you feel properly high. and then sit in a quite place and ask yourself: who/what am i (human)? and where i have come from?

If you think honestly and without any fear of your previous beleives, you would definitly reach to some atheistic solution.

Try this and see the result.

True. It does work to see yourself as just a human.

But with acid you see yourself as a 6'1 1/2" tall white rabbit named Harvey. If you have a zipper you can open it and discover you are Dr. Benway. If you find velcro instead of a zipper you are ET in search of a pay phone that takes Zulaks. If you find a phone that takes Zulaks your bookie will take a bet against the Kohdan Armada. If you make that bet Mags will never again deviate from the standard recipe for brownies.

I hope this answers your question.

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I've never hallucinated,

I've never hallucinated, even with lsd. However, I've noticed that my eyes are awesome to stare at under the influence...

I agree with the OP. Getting buzzed and philosophizing can open a lot of windows.

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Vastet wrote:I've never

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I've never hallucinated, even with lsd. However, I've noticed that my eyes are awesome to stare at under the influence...

With or without a mirror?

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I agree with the OP. Getting buzzed and philosophizing can open a lot of windows.

It can give you a lot of ideas, too.

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natural wrote:Vastet

natural wrote:

Vastet wrote:

I've never hallucinated, even with lsd. However, I've noticed that my eyes are awesome to stare at under the influence...

With or without a mirror?

That's actually a good question. It was with one, but now that you ask, I wonder what another's eyes would look like under the influence. It would have to be a chick, or I'd get into a scrap with some dumb redneck who thought I was gay or something.

*Note to self: Something new to try when I next take an acid trip, which is scheduled to be my final one.

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I agree with the OP. Getting buzzed and philosophizing can open a lot of windows.

It can give you a lot of ideas, too.

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Yep! I cemented my atheism and socialism under the influence of weed. That's also how I've done most of my psychological thinking. It's also where I come up with crackpot suggestions that can be found here and there. Devil's advocate kind of thing.

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A_Nony_Mouse wrote:True. It

A_Nony_Mouse wrote:

True. It does work to see yourself as just a human.

But with acid you see yourself as a 6'1 1/2" tall white rabbit named Harvey. If you have a zipper you can open it and discover you are Dr. Benway. If you find velcro instead of a zipper you are ET in search of a pay phone that takes Zulaks. If you find a phone that takes Zulaks your bookie will take a bet against the Kohdan Armada. If you make that bet Mags will never again deviate from the standard recipe for brownies.

I hope this answers your question.

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I wouldn't recommend the

I wouldn't recommend the drugs, using them is no better than getting in religious exaltation and speaking in tongues. It's basically the same thing, just chemically induced. Yes, drugs are a good experience for people who never saw their consciousness differently, but not much more. It won't make you a better person. People in that state can just as well scream 'Jesus loves me' and 'Kill the unbelievers'.

The really good method is meditation. It shifts a consciousness as drugs do, but on much higher level and quality, controllably and more safely. Of course, it also requires a practice. Years, if possible. (there are however special kinds of meditation to speed it up)

And so, in very deep meditation, one can directly experience, that he does not exist. There is no separation between him and others, and things around. We are one with people, trees, stones, sky, but the 'self' doesn't exist, and so it is with everything else. All is just an illusion, a reflected shadow play of some inner reality, where we all are one. There are no good or bad things, all pleasure and suffering is made only by our unnecessary, senseless choice to enjoy or suffer, thus becoming imprisoned by these illusions.
The suffering is caused by opposing it, by longing for no suffering. But here, the acceptance is a victory over it.
Not the drug high is valuable, but what of our inner reality can we bring from there and apply in our normal, daily consciousness, and in extreme situations. The same applies for books also.

This method was succesfully used by both ancient and modern people. It even influences a few religions, along the way. But this is not a religion, it's everyone's natural possibility.

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One can enter a meditative

One can enter a meditative state much easier with marijuana. No training required. Eye-wink

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exactly Vastet. First i

exactly Vastet. First i tried meditation. but the problem with that is that it needs so much time, practice and concentration. It becomes even more difficult when you have worries in life, with which you cant meditate.

When i tried marijuana, i didnt know anything about it or its effects. Actually i didnt know it is marijuana because im in india and here it is usually called Ganja. And after 2nd time i understood that this thing has a special effect-You look from a different angle at everything.

 

But i admit if someone can do it with meditation, then no need of all this stff.

Religion makes me suffer everyday!


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godisgoneonhoneymoon wrote:

exactly Vastet. First i tried meditation. but the problem with that is that it needs so much time, practice and concentration. It becomes even more difficult when you have worries in life, with which you cant meditate.

When i tried marijuana, i didnt know anything about it or its effects. Actually i didnt know it is marijuana because im in india and here it is usually called Ganja. And after 2nd time i understood that this thing has a special effect-You look from a different angle at everything.

 

But i admit if someone can do it with meditation, then no need of all this stff.

I have tried ganja during my early teen years. It had rather unpleasant effects on me. Like my hearing, taste and touch would conspire to bring me into a strange world, which I didn't always like. In other words, the lower astral world. What I really didn't like was an extreme sensitivity and distortion of perceived things, brought by THC. So why I smoked? For the adventure. Just like we sometimes watch horror films. It almost never made me laugh or feel comfortably, unlike other people. On the other side, I have to admit that it doesn't damage intelligence, in my ganjous life period I had the best school grades ever.

As for the meditation, I have to admit, it's indeed impossible for a modern person to meditate meaningfully. This is why I practice a special kind of group meditation, which is 10-20x more effective than any other.
The meditation does not serve to exercise emotionality, nor rational thinking, it's meant for something even higher, the intuition, inspiration and abstract ideals, in case of contemplation. Also, it's a powerful tool to gain control over emotionality and destructive mind. It's meant to bring these qualities to life. I think that drugs can't do that.

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Luminon wrote:I have tried

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I have tried ganja during my early teen years. It had rather unpleasant effects on me. Like my hearing, taste and touch would conspire to bring me into a strange world, which I didn't always like. In other words, the lower astral world. What I really didn't like was an extreme sensitivity and distortion of perceived things, brought by THC. So why I smoked? For the adventure. Just like we sometimes watch horror films. It almost never made me laugh or feel comfortably, unlike other people. On the other side, I have to admit that it doesn't damage intelligence, in my ganjous life period I had the best school grades ever.

I will be the first to admit that marijuana is not for everyone. While rare, there have been people I've known over the years for which marijuana had a significant negative psychological effect. The worst case of this was a friend from high school, who actually hallucinated while intoxicated. As long as his friends handled it properly, it would not be an issue. But should someone take the opportunity to pull a prank or a joke, things could get downright dicey.

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As for the meditation, I have to admit, it's indeed impossible for a modern person to meditate meaningfully. This is why I practice a special kind of group meditation, which is 10-20x more effective than any other.
The meditation does not serve to exercise emotionality, nor rational thinking, it's meant for something even higher, the intuition, inspiration and abstract ideals, in case of contemplation. Also, it's a powerful tool to gain control over emotionality and destructive mind. It's meant to bring these qualities to life. I think that drugs can't do that.

I find marijuana helps me keep my emotions under control when dealing with the populace. Were I to stop utilizing marijuana, I wouldn't want to be near me when something or someone made me mad. Groups merely inflame my emotions, so they are not an effective strategy.

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i have had chemically

i have had chemically induced experiments. there are profound discoveries that can be made if you're in a good train of thought, and there are also rather absurd thoughts that one can conjured! all in all, you only live once,  so experimentation shouldn't be considered so taboo like society automatically attaches it to be.

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