Atheist Bus Campagin Hits Toronto!
Posted on: January 30, 2009 - 1:01pm
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Atheist Bus Campagin Hits Toronto!
Well, the bus ads that made news in London have been approved to appear on TTC vehicles. Expect to see them soon. Also, they'll appear in other Canadian cities!
Read the following articles:
Washington Standard: No Hope For Atheist Bus Ads
Life Sit News: Toronto Transit Commission Approves Anti-God Ads
The Globe and Mail: Toronto church leader denounces atheist 'attack ads'
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Sweet! Can't wait to see them!
Congratulations! I'm sure you guys will enjoy seeing them around town.
Now that I have read the article from the Washington Standard, I can see why the city is hesitant. If they are being fair about not allowing politics or religion on publicly funded transit, FOR ANYONE, then the city is really taking a neutral position. If atheists push this on city busses Christians will want to do the same. I think maybe Cannada might be living more true to neutrality than American cities.
Again, it might be best for both believers and atheists to seek adds on private transite such as taxis or privately owned billboards which can be next to public highways on privatly owned land. Private does not mean out of view, it merely means not added by or favored by the government.
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I grew up in a small town in central Maine. I was born in an even smaller town in New Brunswick. So I can tell one and all it is great to live in the GTA (greater Toronto area). This is just one more reason why.
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They look so identical I wonder if anyone will. If anything I just hope that the atheist bus campaign helps those realize that there are plenty of good people out there living a happy life without theism.
The theist bus campaign is so misleading. They're pushing "love one another" but any further look into christianity surely pushes a more "fear god or be damned" message; which is why the atheist bus is so much more loving.
So one really has love behind it, and the other doesn't.
I am an Ex-Christian.
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
Right, so if a Christian citizen objects to the add as a taxpayer, they would be right. If they said, "If they can do it, I can do it" they would be right. BUT both are bad tactics and the better solution for anyone asking for government funds is to keep their business neutral as to avoid the conflict in the first place.
All have to either agree to let it all in, or keep it all out. I think the better solution for all is to do it on your own time with your own resources.
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BigUniverse wrote,
"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
DUH! So if Jerry Falwell out competted Catholics for a bid for the buss add, what you are basically saying is that Jerry becomes the boss of the transit.
"The customer is always right". That means if a religious organization can monopolize the adds they, even though the system is privately owned, it is still subsidiesed by the government. If the government was not involved in it, both the customer and their dissentors could appeal to the business in the free market, and the government would not have to play either side in deciding to continue the funds or refusing them.
By proxy of the private business being funded, they cannot discriminate. The fact is that they do and will, and to minimize that influance peddling it is a bad idea for private business to be funded and accept adds for either theists or atheists, IF they want the funding. If they dont, then they can do what they want.
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Brian, what I am saying is that ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY ANYONE CAN PURCHASE AD SPACE FROM THE TTC. That is, ad space. The ads, as far as I know, are only appearing on buses. And at that, not all of them. Do you know how much it would cost to place a bid for all the advertising space on the TTC? No one could possibly monopolize the ad space of the TTC. The ad space is sold in time slots and volumn and location. Whoever payed for the atheist ads likely did not even have to bid for the ad space, but just bought it. It's not a matter of 'the customer is always right'. They only bought some ad space. Anyone could do it!
Brian, there is no official separation of church and state in Canada. Stop using arguments about discrimination (in either public or private sectors). Discrimination is all handled by the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal. If anyone decides to claim that the ads are discriminatory or otherwise contravene the Charter, someone will lodge a formal complaint. The thing is, the ads do not contravene any wording in the Charter! It is not by proxy of the business being subsidized by the City that it cannot discriminate. It's bloody illegal for anyone in Canada to discriminate. The thing is, there's no discrimination going on.
Further, and I'll try to make this crystal clear, the Corporation of the City of Toronto is not playing to one side or the other because it subsidizes the TTC. It has nothing to do with how the TTC sells its advertising space. It must subsidize the TTC.
That's really the end of it. You're making up this fantastical issue where it simply doesn't exist. As I said earlier, this isn't America.
Edit: Also, Brian, it's not like there's never been a religious ad on the TTC. Christian organizations put ads up all the time...
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"Well the things that happen less often are more likely to be the result of the supper natural. A thing like loosing my keys in the morning is not likely supper natural, but finding a thousand dollars or meeting a celebrity might be."
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Tell me where I was desputing that? If you own a business anyone can buy add space from you.
BUT, if you ask for public funding, then you put government in the position of putting strings on that add space.
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Arguably, yes. But as Thomathy has already said, there is no officially sanctioned seperation of church and state (grumbles...) in Canada, so this is a moot point. Stephen Harper could waltz into parliament tomorrow wearing rosary beads, crucifix necklaces and the robe & hat of the pope without breaking any laws within our constitution.
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