My Essay on Gay Marriage: Ideas?

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My Essay on Gay Marriage: Ideas?

Hey everyone. I'm writing a paper for philosophy where I debunk three arguments against gay, then provide my own good argument for it.

I've already written the paper, but I could always add more support or elaborate on my ideas.

Any opinions on the following? Thanks so much!

Homosexual marriages do nothing to serve society and are costly to the state due to social security benefits and tax exemptions. On the contrary, heterosexual couples compensate for their costly unions by having children.  Therefore, there is no reason to grant them to the right to marry.

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The author’s unstated assumption is that children are beneficial to society. However, this assumption is needless since an increase in children is not necessarily positive.  World overpopulation and an overabundance of orphans, for instance, are currently prominent social issues.  Thus, heterosexual couples do not compensate for their union, assuming that they would need to.  On the contrary, homosexual couples often adopt children unless caring for a child from a previous relationship and help to lessen the amount of parentless children in the world. 

The author focuses on having children as opposed to raising children, which is a key factor in producing well-adjusted members of society.  Heterosexual couples may make fine parents, but they are less likely than homosexual couples to adopt since they generally can procreate.  Parents who procreate are not screened or tested for parenting skills. Adoption, on the other hand, requires extensive screening from strict agencies, thus the parents chosen are likely to be good for the child.  Therefore gay couples might be more likely to make better parents if they must work hard to prove their abilities.

On the subject of tax exemptions, there is the unstated assumption that these benefits to married couples are a burden to the state.  The benefits set up for married couples is not a “burden” to the state if it encourages couples to become married before having children, aides them in raising those children and helps them from falling into debt.  Even if it were a burden to the state, this would not be a compelling reason to keep homosexual couples from getting married.  On the assumption that marriage for homosexuals or heterosexuals is a civil right, it being costly is not enough to deny people that right.  

His argument fails to be convincing as he admits that there are situations in which heterosexual couples do not “compensate for the costs” with children, such as if they are infertile, which essentially cancels out his argument against homosexual marriage.  Yet he tries to craft his argument specifically on homosexuals and why change in their benefit is a “burden”, when going by his logic infertile couples and couples with no children are a burden as well.  Yet he eschews this “minor detail” with no valid reason other than they are not homosexual. 

It is essential for children to be raised by parents of both sexes in order for them to learn to function in a society made up of both sexes.


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The author creates the necessary condition that children must be raised by two parents of opposite genders, but in fact this condition isn’t necessary.  Many children are raised by single or opposite-sex parents and lead healthy lives.  On the subject of parenting, it is not just the parents that educate children on matter of gender and sex, but schools, relatives and those close to the child as well.  These multi-faceted components of a child’s life will contribute to his education on both sexes.  In contrast to his point, I would argue that it is essential for children to be raised by loving, nurturing people who have the child’s best interest at heart regardless of their gender.      

If homosexual marriage were legalized, homosexual couples would be more likely to adopt children due to the benefits marriage.  Marriage would ensure that both parents had legal commitment to the child and could claim equal guardianship and family status.  Adoption agencies would be more likely to let a married couple adopt, as a child’s legal situations are far more secure if the parents are married.  If gay marriage remains illegal, it would be much more difficult and in some cases impossible for gay parents to gain these rights. 

Virtually every religion in the world, including the major ones in this country, considers homosexuality unacceptable. It is offensive and a swipe to the religious freedom of the majority to have to recognize a relationship they consider sinful. The legal system in the United States evolved out of the laws contained in the Bible. We shouldn't go even farther to tear down those laws

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One fallacy in this argument is the appeal to tradition.  The United States constitution did not evolve out of “laws contained in the Bible”, but rather the desire for everyone to have the freedom to believe what they want.  It is interesting he brings up the legal system in the United States, which was designed to have fundamental freedoms alongside interpretation of and necessary changes to the law.  If laws in this country were never amended or changed as needed, women still couldn’t vote, African Americans would still be slaves with no rights and the president would not be limited to two terms.  As societies change their views on human rights and how to govern over time the traditional law must change in kind. 

The author claims that since major religions do not agree with homosexuality, it would be wrong for anyone else to agree with it.  His misuse of the term “religious freedom” damages his case, which he essentially defines as banning something that offends certain religions. Religious freedom is refraining from creating laws that serve one religious group’s interest over another and allowing citizens to practice or not practice a religion of their choosing.  In the case of gay marriage and views on homosexuality in general, not everyone agrees with the major world religions and just because something is traditionally practiced does not make it right or wrong.  It is in fact morally right for homosexuals to marry, which I will argue in the next section.

The issue of gay marriage is an issue of civil rights.  Whether or not one finds homosexuality moral is beside the point, just as whether one likes religion does not stop people from being free to practice it.  Marriage provides opportunity for partners to better connect psychologically, emotionally and financially.  It provides a stable foundation of legal benefits that civil unions cannot provide and families gain enormously from.  Marital rights include visitation rights to hospitalized and incarcerated spouses, shared finances, mutual legal guardianship of children, joint property fund for children’s benefits and control of a spouse’s affairs if the spouse is incapacitated.  [Religious Tolerance] These important rights cannot be denied of a couple based on their gender.  Using this logic is the same as claiming that Christians or African Americans should not be allowed to marry. One could come up with all kinds of illogical stances on why Christians are immoral or why Asian Americans ruin the fundamentals of society.  Denial of rights based on a person’s private and personal characteristics breeds intolerance.  After all, how someone chooses to lead their sex life is no business of anyone else if it is private and safe. 

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Arguments against gay marriage generalize, stereotype and lump people together based on irrelevant and prejudiced factors.  One might in term claim that other types of marriages deemed immoral could use the same arguments as I have, such as marriage in a group or with animals.  However, my argument does not apply to those very specific situations.  Homosexual marriage is not in a group or between a human and an animal. Group marriages, if legalized, would require an extensively new set of rules than couple marriage, and therefore is irrelevant to gay marriage.  And unlike the two people in a homosexual relationship, an animal does not have the same legal rights as a person, nor can it legally sign a marriage license.

Hypothetically, if gay marriage were two close same-sex friends without other family could form a non-romantic “marriage” in order to protect and care for each other.  This would be positive because both friends would share their property, have familial visitation rights and could make medical decisions for one another.  They would have a secure, legal family and could rest assured that someone would care for them and their property in the event of an emergency.  Furthermore, situations such as this would continue to exterminate stereotypes about gay marriage and homosexuals, as people could be close and loving in a same-sex relationship without fear of ignorant assumptions about their sexual orientation.  The institution of marriage exists to benefit individuals of the state, not the view on what marriage should morally “mean”.  Keeping gay marriage illegal is acknowledging that it is okay for a government to deny rights to certain people based on unfair terms.  Legalizing gay marriage would be a positive step forward for our country. Tolerance and acceptance of others regardless of sex, gender, class or creed exists in many facets of United States law for an important reason: to ensure the well-being and coexistence of everyone.

 

Definitely not my best essay, but I want this at least to be concise. For some reason my quotes here were messed up.

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I generally agree with what

I generally agree with what you have written and I feel it is fairly well worded (though if you wanted to and had time and little other constraints on the paper each arguement could be discussed and picked apart much more in depth).

One thing I would like to point out I saw in the first arguement: While it is rash and stupid to say that homosexual marriages can contribute nothing to society, it is argueable that they contribute far less (note, I don't necessarily agree with what I'm saying, just pointing out my perspective of the arguement). When the author says that heterosexual couples pay for their expensive unions by producing children I took it to mean that these children would eventually grow up and pay taxes thus repaying the government. Homosexual couples are obviously incapable of producing any new potential taxpayers but it is certainly possible for them to be good parents and foster behavior in children that will lead them to be productive members of society. Just my 2 cents...

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Don't sanction any marriage!

Why does the government need to sanction any marriage(gay or strait)? Are we all just slavish sheep that need Big Brother to define our relationships?

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Smarmalaide wrote:One thing

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One thing I would like to point out I saw in the first arguement: While it is rash and stupid to say that homosexual marriages can contribute nothing to society, it is argueable that they contribute far less (note, I don't necessarily agree with what I'm saying, just pointing out my perspective of the arguement). When the author says that heterosexual couples pay for their expensive unions by producing children I took it to mean that these children would eventually grow up and pay taxes thus repaying the government. Homosexual couples are obviously incapable of producing any new potential taxpayers but it is certainly possible for them to be good parents and foster behavior in children that will lead them to be productive members of society. Just my 2 cents...

Assuming their children actually PAY their taxes.

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 Wouldn't gay families be

 Wouldn't gay families be perfect for helping the government?  After all, there are tons of children who are living on taxpayer dollars right now because married heterosexual couples prefer to make their own babies instead of adopting those that are already alive.  With lots of gay couples getting married, wouldn't they need to get their babies from somewhere?  Gay people have parental urges, too.

 EDIT: I see that you've said that.  So... yeah... I agree with you.

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Hambydammit wrote: Wouldn't

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 Wouldn't gay families be perfect for helping the government?  After all, there are tons of children who are living on taxpayer dollars right now because married heterosexual couples prefer to make their own babies instead of adopting those that are already alive.  With lots of gay couples getting married, wouldn't they need to get their babies from somewhere?  Gay people have parental urges, too.

 EDIT: I see that you've said that.  So... yeah... I agree with you.

haha you put it perfectly, acutally and i hadn't spoken specifically about welfare children and the like. thanks!

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peppermint wrote:On the

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On the subject of tax exemptions, there is the unstated assumption that these benefits to married couples are a burden to the state.  The benefits set up for married couples is not a “burden” to the state if it encourages couples to become married before having children, aides them in raising those children and helps them from falling into debt.  Even if it were a burden to the state, this would not be a compelling reason to keep homosexual couples from getting married.  On the assumption that marriage for homosexuals or heterosexuals is a civil right, it being costly is not enough to deny people that right.  

His argument fails to be convincing as he admits that there are situations in which heterosexual couples do not “compensate for the costs” with children, such as if they are infertile, which essentially cancels out his argument against homosexual marriage.  Yet he tries to craft his argument specifically on homosexuals and why change in their benefit is a “burden”, when going by his logic infertile couples and couples with no children are a burden as well.  Yet he eschews this “minor detail” with no valid reason other than they are not homosexual. 

It's a mistake to assume that marriages are always beneficial to the taxpayer.

There's a significant marriage penalty on income tax for individuals with similar incomes who get married. This would make many gay marriages a tax boon for the government as opposed to a tax burden (assuming that neither person quits his or her job after getting married).


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From the blog of cambler:

From the blog of cambler:

 

 

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That graph looks

That graph looks suspiciously like the Japanese flag, darth.

 

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darth_josh wrote:From the

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From the blog of cambler:

 

 

     I actually like the graph.  It's a good "parody" of something that you would see on Hal Lindsey's TV program, or Peter and Paul Lalonde's old show.  It's quite funny.


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Kevin R Brown wrote: That

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That graph looks suspiciously like the Japanese flag, darth.

 

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Oh for goodness sakes! I'll change the damned thing to pink then. LOL.

 

 

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Last I checked, Japan wasn't

Last I checked, Japan wasn't a communist country, either.


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EXC wrote:Why does the

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Why does the government need to sanction any marriage(gay or strait)? Are we all just slavish sheep that need Big Brother to define our relationships?

Marriage provides a tax shelter and legal rights? Just a guess.

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It's a mistake to assume that marriages are always beneficial to the taxpayer.

I don't assume that at all, I just think his argument is bull.

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It's utterly absurd to

It's utterly absurd to assume children = good for society,

In some countries you get tax breaks for having children  (France for example), in some countries you get penalties (China) but its hardly clear cut. There are plenty of people who are not happy in the UK about the subsidies people having children have (ie the childless dont like subsiding those with children).

As I've said in previous posts marriage as far as the state is concerned = "a contract recognised by the state sharing property between 2 individuals". For the purposes of that statement children count as 'property'.

Love,sex and religion simply don't play a part in it. Maybe its different in the US but in the UK the vast majority of marriages are civil affairs with no religious representation.

I do think the civil rights movement made a mistake in the US calling what is basically a financial contract a 'marriage' when they could have got the same rights by calling it a different name

 

 


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 Quote:Love,sex and

 

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Love,sex and religion simply don't play a part in it. Maybe its different in the US but in the UK the vast majority of marriages are civil affairs with no religious representation.

Yes.  It's far different in the States.  People are looked down on if they got married outside of a church.  Especially in the south, if you hear that someone got married in front of a justice at the courthouse, the automatic assumption is that the woman was too pregnant to stand the embarrassment of a church wedding.  

 

 

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mrjonno wrote:It's utterly

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It's utterly absurd to assume children = good for society,

Outside of the 3rd world, it definately seems to be good for society. If nobody is having children, who do you expect to provide for you in your old age? Who's going to fight your wars, pay your taxes and work your job?

Children and/or immigration.

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