It passed?

Fundies insecure about their own sexuality.

The biggest problem that I saw in California was that people didnt understand the proposition, either that or they did and are just lying to cover up their hate.

A guy I work with said he voted yes on 8 saying "I dont mind them getting married and stuff, but I dont think they should be teaching kids about gay marriage in schools"

I know! What the fuck does that have to do with Prop H8?  Just the deceptive advertising that managed to snag plenty of dumbass voters who didn't realize that voting yes on 8 was just a vote to restrict human rights... nothing else.

Scum.

i really cannot express my rage.  seriously.

but i will try.

for those of you on this site who are irritated by my disregard of capital letters, your day has come.

AND PEOPLE HAVE THE FUCKING GALL TO ASK ME WHY I'M A FUCKING REVOLUTIONARY????  HOW CAN YOU NOT BE???  WHATEVER YOUR SOCIO-ECONOMIC VIEWS, HOW CAN ANY PERSON WITH A

!!!!!!!WORKING FUCKING BRAIN!!!!!!!

ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE PHILISTINE, BIGOTED, BOURGEOIS STATUS QUO???

TELL ME PLEASE!

!!!!CHRISTIANS!!!!

GET YOUR FUCKING 5,000 YEAR-OLD BOOK OF RAPE AND GENOCIDE OUT OF MY GODDAMN GOVERNMENT, YOU SHIT-EATING, SELF-RIGHTEOUS LUMPS OF PIG VOMIT!!!!

there.  now i'm almost crying.  and i'm not even gay.

It sickens me too that we've come to this. This is why democracy does not work. We're a republic where we are all supposed to have EQUAL rights and not whatever the majority determines to be EQUAL. The judges here determined correctly that everyone has equal protection under the law and the population here spit on the judges ruling.

If we are going to live under this type of religious persecution then I suggest we make divorce illegal to protect the sanctity of traditional marriage. I hope someone puts this on the ballot next election year and outlaws divorce under all circumstances except infidelity like the bible prescribes.

Aren't they already doing that?  At least here in Australia most healthcare companies now cover snakeoil and quacks (read: accupuncture, homeopathic medicines etc).  It sickens me when I see the ads promoting these new "incentives".

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Like I said in the other thread about this, the irony to minority support of this proposition being the historical racism of the Mormon Church. This should disabuse at least a few people of the conceit that history and facts are potent forces in the general culture. In reality, it's a fearful thirst for tribal cohesion and a hypothetically strict codified morality that seem to motivate people to act.

In other words, it doesn't matter as long as there's enough water under the bridge, and a plausible narrative.

Even the Governator is against it, and the culture is shifting thanks to the Obama Effect, so I'm fairly confident it will get reversed. It has to: California has to be an example for the rest of the US.

So what is your solution? A politically correct fascist state? It is that kind of short term thinking that destroys freedom. Slavery didn't end over night and if it were not for the Constitution gays wouldn't have even gotten this far. STOP THINKING SHORT TERM

When you look at how gays were treated 20 years ago compared to today it is BECAUSE of our free market and our Constitution that eventually they will win.

Movements do not happen overnight and gays have the same Constitution to use against this bigotry, not by institutionalizing censorship but by using the same tools the other side uses.

Losing one battle does not mean you have lost the war. Compared to the past gays have it far better in our history now then they ever did. You will make it and society will grow and equality will win in the end. But do not shoot yourself in the foot by changing the very tools that allowed you to get this far. It takes time.

I get so pissed at people who want to shoot themselves in the foot because they want to take their detractors right to dissent away from them NOT REALIZING THAT THEY OUTNUMBER YOU. Why would you hand them absolute rule? If you take away their right to dissent, you are handing them absolute rule, and if you do that since they outnumber you you will lose!

OUR Constitution is there for everyone, and it will never produce a perfect society, but what it does do is allow oportunity NOT A GARUNTEE but oportunity for improvement.

That same right to vote, that same right to free speech is what allowed Ellen to come out on national TV. It is the same right that allowed them to appeal to the Ca Supreme Court that initially allowed gay marriage. The voters have spoken, but if you look at the margin, if you keep raising your voices, that margin will not only shrink, but reverse in your favor. And if the Court is consistant, and this is the beauty of our Constitution, IT ALLOWS FOR THE COURTS TO SIDE WITH THE MINORITY DISPITE WHAT THE VOTERS MAY WANT.

It is the same Court system that said to a white male Christian majority that did not want women to vote, the court said, "Dispite what you want majority, you cannot deny women rights"

GAYS and even atheists do themselves a disservice by demanding the silence of detractors rather than compete in the same system of free speech and Constitution that their detractors do.

DONT DEMAND SILENCE, complete by raising your voices and leading by example by living better than the bigots that dont like you. BUT DO NOT DICTATE TO THEM.

DO NOT HAND YOUR ENEMIES ABSOLUTE RULE when they outnumber you.

You shouldn't have added the last line - notice Hispanics can be any race.

And you wouldn't be a fascist if you outlawed their speech? You assume that athesits are a higher species of human, we are not. Your fight fire with fire is exactly what perpetuates human missery. So we become an atheist majority? What do we do, exicute anyone who speeks ill of gays or atheists?

Pot meet kettle. Why not gas those fundies like Hitler did with the Jews? After all, they all must be evil and want to gas us too.

If you want to shred the very Constitution that gives you the right to call them bigots, you are a complete fool. You would be giving the fascists exactly what they want, and again, THEY OUTNUMBER YOU!

You are an idiot and have no clue the damage you would do to your own freedom by not protecting dissent.

Go have your revolution Castro, I doubt you'll get far. I'll use the Constitution for my revolution.

Where in this thread has ANYONE advocated getting rid of the constitution??? By the way it wasn't the supreme court that gave women the right to vote - it was an ammendment to the constitution.

Thank you for correcting that, for some reason I always though that the Supreme Court decided that.

"to petition the government for a redress of grievance" has lead the Supreme Court to side with dissent in spite of the majority. But thanks for correcting that error for me.

No, I am not accusing anyone, I am warning people how far it can and will be taken if we don't protect dissent. So I am merely thinking steps ahead.

We have an open market, including that of ideas, even those that offend us. Our country has always been a work in progress and for those who shout "revolution" now seem to have tunnel vision and our growing diversity is evolving and evolution takes time.

I am used to the hate spewed at me, I don't like it one bit, but I am not going to live under laws that say that my detractors cant say hatefull things, because I also want the ability to say things, even if not hatefull, no matter how I put it, will be precieved as such and the only way to protect my rights, is to protect theirs as well.

Laws on taboos are a bad idea and usually end up hurting the people that put them in place.

FUCK YOU THEN, I guess we stand apposed. Good luck Castro, I doubt you get far, and you certainly wont get my help.

Here is you:

MAYBE IF I AM JUST AS HATEFULL AS THEY ARE I CAN WORK UP THE NERVE TO GUT THEM FACE TO FACE WITH A BOIE KNIFE IN FRONT OF THEIR CRYING CHILDREN AND THEN GUT THEM TOO!

But you are not a fascist....no.....I think you are just another utopian nut who thinks "if only the world would suck my dick".

I have been proven wrong, even atheists can be ashole dictators. Good luck with that opression, fortunatly for compassionate people, you are losing.

You capitalized all that hate just like Hitler shouted how bad the Jews are. Just like Bin Ladin inspired Muslims to slam planes into buidings, but yet atheists who claim they are above all that forget that they are subject to the same human emotions all humans are.

READ WHAT YOU WROTE....you sound just as genocidal as any dictator or theocrat you say you hate. BTW DUMBASS, I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean I agree with all atheists nor does it mean I suck up to Christianity.

So don't pull that Uncle Tom crap with me. Grow the fuck up and realize that you, just like they, are one of 6 billion people.

well, i'm READING WHAT I WROTE and i see NOT ONE WORD advocating violence.  i identify myself as a revolutionary, but that doesn't necessarily entail violence.  PLEASE POINT OUT TO ME WHERE I ADVOCATE VIOLENCE AGAINST FUNDAMENTALISTS IN CALIFORNIA WITHOUT YOUR BULLSHIT PARAPHRASING ABOUT "BOIE KNIVES" (btw, it's "bowie" ).

if you can't show me that, THEN FUCK OFF AND TALK TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

and yes, i did write in caps.  it's called venting.  it was a genuine expression of my emotions at the time of writing, not a theoretical or political statement, and i thought that was pretty CLEARLY implied (note the references to "rage," which is not an emotion conducive to rational thought), but next time i'll put it in BIG RED FUCKING LETTERS just in case you're reading.

oh, and how exactly am i "uncle tom"?  seriously, guy, are you really drunk or sixteen fucking years old or what?

Go back and read my post. I said that YOU were accusing some in western society of going with the status qoe. I told you not to call ME an Uncle Tom.

Getting along with Christians DOES NOT incorperate always agreeing with them or never offending them. I merely recognize that I am a human, just like they are and am subject to the same emotions.

If you think I am never pissed at religious people, you are dead wrong. I still in that being pissed, recognize that they eat, shit, fart and want love and a place to live, just like I do.

I think you want instant gratification and wont be happy until you are the alpha male 5 seconds from now.

I am not disagreeing with the state of theism in politics. But I think you are a fool to suggest that equality will come by force of oppression. The end result will be resentment and perpetuates once the abused becomes the abuser.

Lose your utopian crap. THAT is what theists do and dictators do.

So you are ok with Christians being your neighbor? Even when they believe that you will burn in hell and that you don't deserve to vote?

I agree PISS OFF to you too for NOT recognizing that I agree that bigotry is BAD but tactic is important in combating those you disagree with and it is not all about bludgening them all the time. Which your emotionally reactionary posts seem to convey.

In the spirit of using shame to effect change in the zeitgeist, here's Keith Olbermann:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27652443#27652443

Bad politics? Perhaps. Socially responsible, and the Right Thing To Do (tm)? Absolutely.

Personally, I think the legal status of "marriage" should be removed. All legal unions should be civil unions. Then folks can have their "marriage ceremonies" and whatnot all they want, and everyone gets the same rights. You could be "married" with no civil union (other than that observed by your state, such as common-law civil unions), have a civil union without a marriage (for those who abhor ceremonies), or both.

That'd shut up the selfish fundamentalist control-freak nutjobs.

What sections of the constitution do you disagree with? Do you just want to scrub those sections or the whole thing? 

Intelligent politics isnt about standing on a platform of I want to do 10 good things and not getting elected and hence doing none of them.

Its about saying I will say do 5 good things this time and actually acheieve it (then try again later to get the other 5)

That is what i mean its not clever to use the word 'marriage' when you can give fellow citizens 90% of what they want/deserve but calling it a civil partnership.

I dont know what its like in the US but the vast majority of marriages in the UK are civil and have no religious involvement (significant minority do of course like a nice country church nothing to do with jesus of of course)

On a good note, the Florida one banning gay adoption was declared unconstitutional.

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