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Iam a strong christian. I signed up so i could learn about atheists and perhaps withhold a few debates.
I just want to say that God loves each and everyone of you. No matter how many times you revolt against him he will still love you..
Just remember he created you and can tear you down fast.
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How exactly does someone rebel against something that doesn't exist?
Well I was born an original sinner
I was spawned from original sin
And if I had a dollar bill for all the things I've done
There'd be a mountain of money piled up to my chin
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"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
welcome to the forums.
Tis obvious disciple strikes fear into even the most strong Atheist.
With that massive attack, I would've just surrendered to the lard !
How'd you do that, Jill ???
how do you know what god thinks? reading an imaginary beings mind is impossible.
disciple ,
You are a satan disciple fan, a divider, a separatist idol worshiper .... You are blind, and you obviously don't know ME GOD, nor yourself. Nor the dirt simple truth as buddha jesus philosophers tried to reveal, but concealed thru all the ages by the authority church government. I understand well enough your fears and brainwash.
Welcome to godly RRS , where if willing, you can come to know the "saving good word" of atheism. LOL and good luck , sincerly, me god .... Please realize religion lies, as you are 100% god. God of Abraham is an invention of "wrong thinking", the very definition of the Devil Satan, as story buddha jesus called peter ....
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Disciple,
As you can tell, we don't put much stock in God existing, let alone "remembering that He loves us." As a result, any reference to the Bible supporting God's existence, or God's existence supporting the Bible, or God loving us, or anything like that, kinda makes us laugh.
We can be obnoxious if we think you are being irrational, but as long as you remember that we value rational thought rather than a blind faith in God, you should get along with us just fine.
Welcome, and good luck.
"Yes, I seriously believe that consciousness is a product of a natural process. I find that the neuroscientists, psychologists, and philosophers who proceed from that premise are the ones who are actually making useful contributions to our understanding of the mind." - PZ Myers
Sorry to get off topic for a moment but wonko, what are you holding in your avatar, the jaws of life ?
"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
OK, I'll start a debate with you:
Religion is a drug.
You are a junky(i.e. disciple). You get high when you think about the invisible man looking out for you and punishing the people against you. This drug acts as an opiate to kill the pain and worry of life and death.
You have no proof other than your 'personal experience' (i.e your high).
You will stick to your faith drug unless the effects wear off and you can't get a good 'high' anymore. You need to state in a state of strong delusion in order to keep getting your 'high' from religion. You will also stay with your religion if you have family/peer pressure or preasure from a girlfriend/wife.
Why am I wrong?
Taxation is the price we pay for failing to build a civilized society. The higher the tax level, the greater the failure. A centrally planned totalitarian state represents a complete defeat for the civilized world, while a totally voluntary society represents its ultimate success. --Mark Skousen
EXC is right, and me god is a "socialist" !
Welcome to the Forums! I would suggest you start in the "Kill em with Kindness" section, if you truly want to learn about atheists and hold some debate, it will be the least threatening and most good-natured place to get a good start.
you know, my dog is kind of like that too. No matter how many times he jumps up and grabs things off the counter and I yell at him, he still wags his tail and comes back to me
GOD i love my DOG!
OH and ... I am not sure what your priest, pastor, best friend, mother, father or neighbor told you about atheists but, we aren't revolting against a 'god' it is a rise against the ancient thought process held by those who still cling to the belief in a silly legend.
My mom used to say that " RENEE! I brought you into this world, I can take you out of it!" I guess that is a scare tactic used by more then just the mothers of the world, huh?
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My good wise Renee, was I to abrupt ? Damn , being god is hard to convey.
Oh a song, "Nothing is Easy", Tull ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEAjusAoOD4&feature=related
ETC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZZ35zOtmFc
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And is that a glowing vibrator in your avatar?
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Atheism isn't a lot like religion at all. Unless by "religion" you mean "not religion". --Ciarin
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Do you know that or are you guessing?
"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.
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Come on DG , write more jokes as you so cleverly can. Rants on buza or saki maybe , all for fun I vote, what ever that is, add science.
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Wonder if this is another drive by preacher?
jill, i fucking love you.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
Yup, that's one of the attachments for the jaws called a spreader.
We also have various sized cutters as well as a ram.
I am about in the middle of the U.S. and we do have
one Interstate very close to our F.D., so between that
and the state & local roads/trains... keeps us mostly busy.
Well, and fires... of course.
He-he
I gotta love Wendy !
and The Shining.
Stayed at that hotel once
when I was little.
Yes... and your meaning is ?
Can I go back to eating little babies ?
Welcome to the forums.
ever see the making of film on the dvd? all the other actors basically just talk about how much they hate shelley duvall. it's pretty funny.
"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson
Welcome!
I recommend you to try some available radio shows, they will show you, how strong Christian you should be here. It seems you don't know atheists very well, so if you don't have a philosophic education, I recommend you to learn about a common arguments and fallacies. I certainly needed that a lot, and I'm not even a Christian.
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Btw, I just had read a theory... It is rather a part of human society analysis. According to this, every human society, regardless of culture or geographic position, has a partial, greater or lesser religiosity. And, every such a religion has three characteristics in common:
- teaching about the nature of God and man
- symbolism
- certain essential teachings
There is an important inner structure of truth, which is the same in all nations and lands, and a lot of useless cultural ballast around it, which basically creates the differences between religions. When people will confront their beliefs and find the structure of truth in there, then they will be able to formulate an objective religion, objective truth. Then, all theology will be thrown away, theology is a speculation, saying "we don't know" by many words, it will be replaced by understanding of that truth. This understanding will also affect agnosticism, maybe even cure it by knowledge.
Until then, there will be a lot of ending traditions, revolt against Churches, theology, dogma, but also tendencies for self-determination, tearing down old norms, old mind barriers, and barriers between faiths and races.
The religions will be thoroughly researched and studied. Soon, two main groups of people will emerge. First, there will be reactionaries, insisting on traditions, old ways, old theologies. Those people acknowledges an authority, whatever, prophets, Bible, theology, rather than a new, but true and enlightened non-authoritative individuals. Devotion and love is typical for them, but they refuse intellect, and fanatism and intolerance are also characteristic. They are mostly of older generation. But in their generation, there is also a hope, and this hope for them is in becoming a member of the second group.
The second group is relatively small, but growing. Those are intellectual mystics, knowers of the reality, and, surprisingly, loving God, though they doesn't belong to any religion or organization. They're of all races nations, complexion colors, and all philosophy directions. But still, they use the same symbols, speaks the same "language", walk the same path, refuse the same ballast and isolated the same basic principles of faith. They keep no secrets, they freely exchange their holy books. They are essentially the unifiers of the world's religiosity.
Most of the young generation is aware of those two groups, with reactionary worshippers of doctrine, and subjective mystics, but they're quite chaotic, because they acknowledge both groups. They know only their need for freedom and knowledge. They despise the tradition of past, they refuse the old formulations of truth. They refuse the first group, but are not yet anchored in the worldview of the second group, so they're very unsure and chaotic.
And so these forces rocks the world, the old group, new group, and undecided crowd. It seems the described process already started some time ago, this analysis and prediction is a several decades old. I hope the inner truth will be soon formulated, scientifically if possible (because it should be a very fundamental natural law) and so the agnosticism, ignorance and division will be replaced by understanding. Until then, it's good to see how religional authorities are forced to formulate exactly their beliefs, so they can be exposed, examined, and evaluated.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
The 1980 Shining movie sucked ass. It pissed Steven King off how much they changed from the book. There was a made for tv movie about 10 years ago with Rebecca De Mornay and the one guy from that show "Wings" playing the parents that was way better and followed the book.
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In the name of hijacking this thread, I'd just like to say that I bench press 335 pounds.
"The whole conception of God is a conception derived from ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men."
--Bertrand Russell
Yeah, I remember how King was pissed at director Stanley Kubrick for tweaking his book but I still like the original film better....even though, as you said, it isn't as close to Kings' vision for the movie.
The updated version just didn't scare or startle me in the least. Could be though, that I was expecting too much. I still liked it ok, just not nearly as well as Kubrick's film.
Apology for my part of the derailment to the thread.
Oh and DDApe.... is it your bar that accounts for the odd (335 lbs.) amount ?
I don't know what I could benchpress. Going to the gym is against my 'do whatever you feel like' religion. If I want to exercise I play sports, because they're actually fun.
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There were a few reasons I didn't like the 1980 version - including the stupidity of the kid talking to his finger and Jack Nicholson's hammy overacting.
Don't know what I can bench now, but when I took weight training in college I was able to get up to 70 lbs. Since I'm more than 10 years older and that was after a half semester of doing it, and having more physical activity in general than now, I'd have to guess around 40 maybe 50 lbs.
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The bar's 45 pounds. Then three 45 pound plates each side--that's 270 total. Then a couple of tens.
45+270+20=335. I don't know what's odd about that, exactly.
And I totally agree on Kubrick's Shining adaptation. The novel's not bad for early Stephen King, but Kubrick made a classic out of it. I rarely get the creeps from movies, but I still get jumpy when I re-watch it.
"The whole conception of God is a conception derived from ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men."
--Bertrand Russell
Yo dude,
I used to be in the same position as you were, except for on a different forum.
If you are here to learn about Atheism, then you will find plenty of information here. To begin I would suggest reading "am I agnostic or am I atheist."
http://www.rationalresponders.com/am_i_agnostic_or_atheist
I am both Agnostic and Atheist. If that doesn't make sense you should check that link out. I know you are neither but It will give a clear explanation as to what agnostics and atheists are. The idea that being an Atheist means that we are revolting against God, is incorrect.
If your intentions are to spread the word of God, then you are off to a good start by stating that you want to learn about Atheists. All Atheists have one thing in common, they lack a belief in a God. Some believe in Love, Some believe in Generosity. Some think God could exist, others think God doesn't exist.
Some say god is simply all existence, as science best defines, such as thermodynamics, etc etc.
EXC, well said and thanks for saying it. This is one area where I totally agree with you.
"I am that I am." - Proof that the writers of the bible were beyond stoned.
So far you are doing a good job of withholding debates, keep up the good work.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Give that man a medal!
You sir, have a rapist's whit
Well I was born an original sinner
I was spawned from original sin
And if I had a dollar bill for all the things I've done
There'd be a mountain of money piled up to my chin
Because "Rapist's whit" (as in "brutal, selfish and uncaring" ) dosn't strike me as particularly complimentary.
"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
It's a BlackAdder quote, and it was intentional. But seeing as I'm not a native English speaker, I can forgive you for pointing it out
Well I was born an original sinner
I was spawned from original sin
And if I had a dollar bill for all the things I've done
There'd be a mountain of money piled up to my chin
Sorry
"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray
Just that the total (bar) amount ends in an odd number. I don't know many guys or fitness centers that use a bar that isn't an even number. The one I use is 60lb plus then two 45 plates each side + two fives each for a total of 260.... but I do 2 sets of three reps in my standard workout, which also includes other lifting plus treadmill, stair climb etc. About 45min to an hour-- three to four times a week.
I'm considering cutting back on the bench and the incline bench though. Too much pain especially in joints (elbows,wrists) and surrounding areas. Need to start accepting my age.
Mr Disciple is just here under the guise of being a christian...he's just a poor shmuck so desperate for attention he's willing to accept rejection. It was his goal when he signed on here to be ridiculed, so he can rationalize further withdrawing from truth.
So here you go Douche-nozzle...I'll give you what you came here for....I hope you grow an inoperable brain tumor, and spend the rest of your life dribbling into a cup until you have to sell everything you own to pay the insurance premiums.
Now have a nice day, jizzbucket.
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rich, man, everytime i see your avatar i expect to get rick rolled.
My ancestors allegedly killed Jesus. I hope he didn't take offence, otherwise I'm screwed.
Don't worry, he more than likely never existed.
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a) if Jesus would exist
b) if he would appear in these times
Thus, as Hambydammit showed before, God would prefer atheists.
Beings who deserve worship don't demand it. Beings who demand worship don't deserve it.
Spot on, good Luminon, my friend in awe as I .... Communication is hard. I await the perfect metaphor, as the theory of everything ! What I am came before me, as what I am is after me , as all is connected, as all is one, eternal, as is always NOW.
I am all that is, past and present and future, as one , as eternal. Zero magic involved. There is no master creator of phenomena but ourselves, as we are all that can be known.
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