Pope to world: I miss the dark ages.

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Pope to world: I miss the dark ages.

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Pope: Religion has a place in politics

PARIS, France (AP) -- Pope Benedict XVI urged Christians to make their voices heard in France and other countries that have strong traditions of secularism, saying Friday that politics and religion must be open to each other.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Pope Benedict XVI

French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Pope Benedict XVI

The pope embarked Friday on a four-day trip -- his first to France as pontiff -- that will take him from the presidential Elysee Palace to the Roman Catholic shrine in Lourdes.

Benedict was greeted by President Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife, Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, at a Paris airport, where a military band in plumed hats played a fanfare. Later in Paris, the pope was to address a gathering including Muslim leaders on the second anniversary of a speech that heightened tensions with much of the Islamic world.

Traditionally Roman Catholic France is wrestling with its changing religious landscape, and how to reconcile it with the secularism that underpins the modern French Republic. The country has a growing number of Muslims whose visible customs, such as wearing headscarves in public schools, have raised the hackles of officials determined to preserve the boundaries between church and state.

On the plane, Benedict expressed understanding for secular traditions, but added that, nonetheless, "Religion and politics must be open to each other."

"The presence of Christian values is fundamental for the survival of our nations and our societies," he said.

Whole story here.

 

Politics should be open to religion in this one way: We protect religion by not getting involved.

That it also protects secularists and non-belivers is icing on a tasty cake.

 

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Funny, I thought secularism

Funny, I thought secularism was specifically being about open to religion openly, ALL religions evenly.

I'm really getting sick of secularism being redefined as atheism.

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"...politics and religion

"...politics and religion must be open to each other."

 

Yeah, ok, and to keep 'em honest both must be open to science.


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I miss the dark ages too.

I miss the dark ages too. I'd be able to garner an army and march on Rome, destroying the heathen christians along my way. *sigh*

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Vastet wrote:I miss the dark

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I miss the dark ages too. I'd be able to garner an army and march on Rome, destroying the heathen christians along my way. *sigh*

If you ever do that, can I be in charge of artillery? I've always wanted to level a castle with a full-scale trebuchet.

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Vastet wrote:I miss the dark

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I miss the dark ages too. I'd be able to garner an army and march on Rome, destroying the heathen christians along my way. *sigh*

 

Meanwhile, in Mecca, a new god-man and his followers were afoot...


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I suppose so, though I had

I suppose so, though I had always dreamed of utilizing something along these lines....

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JillSwift wrote:Quote: Pope:

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Pope: Religion has a place in politics

PARIS, France (AP) -- Pope Benedict XVI urged Christians to make their voices heard in France and other countries that have strong traditions of secularism, saying Friday that politics and religion must be open to each other.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Pope Benedict XVI

French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Pope Benedict XVI

The pope embarked Friday on a four-day trip -- his first to France as pontiff -- that will take him from the presidential Elysee Palace to the Roman Catholic shrine in Lourdes.

Benedict was greeted by President Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife, Carla Bruni-Sarkozy, at a Paris airport, where a military band in plumed hats played a fanfare. Later in Paris, the pope was to address a gathering including Muslim leaders on the second anniversary of a speech that heightened tensions with much of the Islamic world.

Traditionally Roman Catholic France is wrestling with its changing religious landscape, and how to reconcile it with the secularism that underpins the modern French Republic. The country has a growing number of Muslims whose visible customs, such as wearing headscarves in public schools, have raised the hackles of officials determined to preserve the boundaries between church and state.

On the plane, Benedict expressed understanding for secular traditions, but added that, nonetheless, "Religion and politics must be open to each other."

"The presence of Christian values is fundamental for the survival of our nations and our societies," he said.

Whole story here.

 

Politics should be open to religion in this one way: We protect religion by not getting involved.

That it also protects secularists and non-belivers is icing on a tasty cake.

 

Are you listening Thomas Jefferson? The Pope says, "Fuck your wall and take your no religious test with you". I am so glad that dickhead pope had no hand in writing the Constitution.

This is more of the same fearmongering crap that Chrisitans sell other Christians and Muslims sell other Muslims and Jews sell other Jews. WE MUST GET INVOLVED IN POLITICS!

NO DIPSHITS! |That is exactly why theocracies exist, this is why humanity cant get allong. This is exactly why economies tank, because the people, instead of being focused on common issues are more intrested in the government promoting one gang over another.

The human species is NOT A GANG! It is full of morons like you who think there gang is intitled to tell other gangs what to do.

Remember when you tried to threaten Kerry with excommunication? I was proud of all Americans who said, "FUCK YOU" you don't even live here.

|Here is a clue asshat. NO ONE OWNS OTHER INDIVIDUALS, human beings would do well to leave their fantacies out of politics and focus on issues that affect us all. Western society is a result of rejection of authoritarianism and an imbracement of advise and consent. Interjecting more religion into politics will cause more division and more theocracies.

Hey Pope, you love government run on religion so much, grow some some balls and go live in Iran!

 

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As I've said before, the

As I've said before, the Pope is an asshat.


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JillSwift wrote: Pope to the

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Pope to the world: I miss the dark ages.

 

I'll bet he really does.

After all, control is the name of the game for theism.

Control of the masses was never more successful than during those dark ages.

 


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Wonko wrote:JillSwift wrote:

Wonko wrote:

JillSwift wrote:
Pope to the world: I miss the dark ages.

 

I'll bet he really does.

After all, control is the name of the game for theism.

Control of the masses was never more successful than during those dark ages.

 

Plus, the popes had concubines back then. If that's not a reason for him to miss the dark ages I don't know what is

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Did they bugger altar boys

Did they bugger altar boys back then too?


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Who knows?But what, with the

Who knows?

But what, with the concubines, I would suspect not.


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If they were gay they'd have

If they were gay they'd have to have male concubines. And if they were pedo's even that wouldn't help much.

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It's a chicken/egg

It's a chicken/egg thing.

What came first, the celebacy or the peadophilia?

I suspect the former.


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Probably. I know they used

Probably. I know they used to encourage people with sexual disorders (they include gay as such) to become priests hoping they'd stay celibate. Obviously that doesn't work. Of course celibacy is such an unnatural thing - especially when masturbation is also forbidden - you wonder why there aren't lots more priests going crazy.

 

And even as to the abstinence before marriage thing they encourage - around here Catholic school girls have reputations as being incredibly slutty - they just go to confession a few days after fucking the football team.

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When you're going back that

When you're going back that far, you have to remove preconceptions in your mind considering what exactly constitutes paedophilia in the first place. Modern conceptions are not necessarily applicable.

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This thread got me to

This thread got me to mulling over what  I miss  these days...

 

This year:    Sanity in Politics. Seems worse than ever to me.

This month: The money I'm due. Well, there's always lump-sum backpay.

This week:   My 1967 Chevelle SS

Today:         A  new and really nasty [YOU RESPOND] thread.