Equal time: Jews can be batshit crazy too.

JillSwift
Superfan
JillSwift's picture
Posts: 1758
Joined: 2008-01-13
User is offlineOffline
Equal time: Jews can be batshit crazy too.

Quote:

Jewish 'ultras' defend morals with menace

The Haredi sect has launched an aggressive campaign against the secular lifestyles of women in Jerusalem

Toni O'Loughlin - The Observer | Sunday September 21 2008

Four months ago in the middle of the night, six men dressed in wide-brimmed black hats, black coats, white shirts and black trousers burst into the Jerusalem apartment of a young Jewish woman and taught her a lesson.

Mikhail, who is reluctant to give her full name, had scandalised members of her ultra-orthodox Jewish community by leaving her husband and embracing a secular lifestyle. The men, all members of the theologically conservative Haredi branch of Judaism, tackled her to the ground, slammed her head against the floor and tied a rag around her mouth. One assailant sat on her head as the others kicked her while demanding to know the names of the men she was seeing.

They also threatened to kill her if she did not leave the neighbourhood, which contains many secular as well as religious residents. 'A woman is only OK if she has a family, kids and a husband,' said Mikhail with a sigh.

Complete story here.

I guess when there's no one to repress you, you have to do it yourself, right?

"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray


The Doomed Soul
atheist
The Doomed Soul's picture
Posts: 2148
Joined: 2007-08-31
User is offlineOffline
.... *Quivers at the coming

....

 

*Quivers at the coming Jewish Mother Mob, backlash*

 

 


latincanuck
atheist
latincanuck's picture
Posts: 2038
Joined: 2007-06-01
User is offlineOffline
The problem with religious rule

Once all the heritics are gone it ends up consume itself, it sees evil everywhere. The religious nuts always see something wrong, even more so when they are in power.


I AM GOD AS YOU
Superfan
Posts: 4793
Joined: 2007-09-29
User is offlineOffline
If it's a "God of Abe"

If it's a "God of Abe" practice of worship, it's wacko. If it's an appreciation and study of our human evolution of thinking, it's useful.  In the far east the "religious" mentors are more genreally not "worshiped", as there are no idols, nor deity. As the most famous buddha, who earned his special wise man" label, said (folklore) "there have been many buddhas before me and will be in the future." .... Lots of buddhas here at RRS.   


iwbiek
atheistSuperfan
iwbiek's picture
Posts: 4197
Joined: 2008-03-23
User is offlineOffline
fuckin' orthodox. 

fuckin' orthodox.  everybody should read up on the history and political situation of israel.  this is a country made up of MOSTLY secular jews, reform jews, atheist jews, and non-jews.  the orthodox are a SMALL but VOCIFEROUS minority.  they have unbelievable political power, especially in jerusalem.  i recall reading an article a few years ago about natalie portman (herself an israeli) shooting a scene near the wailing wall where she kissed a guy.  the orthodox jews who were there at that time went batshit, started throwing rocks, and she had to be escorted away.  even secular jews driving their cars through jerusalem on the sabbath are in danger of having rocks thrown at their cars.

i hate these fuckers.  the fact is, zionism began as a modern, and often even socialist or marxist, movement.  the great zionist theodor herzl was a thoroughly secular jew, who respected religion but didn't expect the inhabitants of his envisioned jewish state as being religious.  even though he did talk about rebuilding the temple, it wasn't to have any dogmatic significance, nor certainly any sacrifices.  the first prime minister of israel, david ben-gurion, was a fucking MARXIST, for christ's sake.  he even participated in the 1905 russian revolution.  there were A LOT of socialists involved in planning the state of israel.  in fact, the orthodox were originally OPPOSED to it, since they said it usurped the work of the messiah.

then, like all fundies, the motherfucking assholes came in and HIGHJACKED what good, levelheaded secularists had created and fucked it all up and claimed it had ALWAYS been theirs by right--just like what the goddamn christers have done to the USA of jefferson and franklin!

sorry for the rant, but i fucking HATE the orthodox in israel, and their goddamn, shit-eating, child-murdering, neo-fascist flunkies like sharon, olmert, and that bitch golda meir (if only there was a hell, i would wish she was burning in it).  if i hate any people more, it's all the fat-ass, self-satisfied fundie christians in america who claim god will wipe us off the earth if we ever oppose israel, and actually influence our foreign policy with their bullshit.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson


Vastet
atheistBloggerSuperfan
Vastet's picture
Posts: 13210
Joined: 2006-12-25
User is offlineOffline
The jews are no less and no

The jews are no less and no more guilty of such behaviour than any other theistic interpretation of reality, and many interpretations that are not based in theology at all. However, I too cry for the death of Israel. Amongst other extremist and stupid nations.

Proud Canadian, Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.


mrjonno
Posts: 726
Joined: 2007-02-26
User is offlineOffline
Well there is plenty of

Well there is plenty of secular hate in Israel too, most of the right on the Likud party are pretty secular themselves they just don't like Arabs (mainly because they are Arabs not because they are muslims)


latincanuck
atheist
latincanuck's picture
Posts: 2038
Joined: 2007-06-01
User is offlineOffline
Of course

If your a hebrew and the arabs want to kill you, you'd hate them to, then again, everyone hates everyone, chinese hate japanese, Ethopians hate somalians, Irish hate the english (but I say if the English are wankers [as per many of my irish friends say] and the irish are ruled by them, what does that make them, same goes for the scots Sticking out tongue) Americans hate everyone, everyone hates americans, french hate everyone, everyone hates the french (but love the food personally), etc, etc, etc, etc.


JillSwift
Superfan
JillSwift's picture
Posts: 1758
Joined: 2008-01-13
User is offlineOffline
mrjonno wrote:Well there is

mrjonno wrote:
Well there is plenty of secular hate in Israel too, most of the right on the Likud party are pretty secular themselves they just don't like Arabs (mainly because they are Arabs not because they are muslims)
The story isn't about hate, hon. It's about believing you have a big sky fairy's ultimate permission to brutalize people for failing to live up to some absurd moral standard.


 

"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray


latincanuck
atheist
latincanuck's picture
Posts: 2038
Joined: 2007-06-01
User is offlineOffline
Basically Jill

You get to hate people because god says you can hate them because they don't live up to the moral expectations that the book say you have to. With religion anything and everything is possible, all forms of hatred and cruelty can be done.


I AM GOD AS YOU
Superfan
Posts: 4793
Joined: 2007-09-29
User is offlineOffline
"With or without religion,

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg

 


JillSwift
Superfan
JillSwift's picture
Posts: 1758
Joined: 2008-01-13
User is offlineOffline
latincanuck wrote:You get to

latincanuck wrote:
You get to hate people because god says you can hate them because they don't live up to the moral expectations that the book say you have to. With religion anything and everything is possible, all forms of hatred and cruelty can be done.
Well, yes - but also no.

See, the really terrifying thing about religion is it lets the believers do all manner of cruel and horrifying things to others for their own good. No hate involved, in fact some will even truly love the ones they are torturing.

"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray


Vastet
atheistBloggerSuperfan
Vastet's picture
Posts: 13210
Joined: 2006-12-25
User is offlineOffline
JillSwift wrote:See, the

JillSwift wrote:

See, the really terrifying thing about religion is it lets the believers do all manner of cruel and horrifying things to others for their own good. No hate involved, in fact some will even truly love the ones they are torturing.

The mixture of beauty and horror wrapped in truth within that simple paragraph is amazing.

Proud Canadian, Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.


iwbiek
atheistSuperfan
iwbiek's picture
Posts: 4197
Joined: 2008-03-23
User is offlineOffline
JillSwift wrote:latincanuck

JillSwift wrote:

latincanuck wrote:
You get to hate people because god says you can hate them because they don't live up to the moral expectations that the book say you have to. With religion anything and everything is possible, all forms of hatred and cruelty can be done.
Well, yes - but also no.

See, the really terrifying thing about religion is it lets the believers do all manner of cruel and horrifying things to others for their own good. No hate involved, in fact some will even truly love the ones they are torturing.

jill, your ability to cut through the bullshit never ceases to make my heart go bumpity bump bump.

"I have never felt comfortable around people who talk about their feelings for Jesus, or any other deity for that matter, because they are usually none too bright. . . . Or maybe 'stupid' is a better way of saying it; but I have never seen much point in getting heavy with either stupid people or Jesus freaks, just as long as they don't bother me. In a world as weird and cruel as this one we have made for ourselves, I figure anybody who can find peace and personal happiness without ripping off somebody else deserves to be left alone. They will not inherit the earth, but then neither will I. . . . And I have learned to live, as it were, with the idea that I will never find peace and happiness, either. But as long as I know there's a pretty good chance I can get my hands on either one of them every once in a while, I do the best I can between high spots."
--Hunter S. Thompson


DamnDirtyApe
Silver Member
DamnDirtyApe's picture
Posts: 666
Joined: 2008-02-15
User is offlineOffline
Well of course Jews can be

Well of course Jews can be batshit crazy.  They may not have made up all this bullshit in the first place, but they're definitely the popularizers.  The Hellene and Roman cultures were on pace to make it to the moon by 1000 AD (or more properly 1753, Roman Era) before they got all wrapped up in the pseudo-Judaism of Jeezy Chreezy.  Hell, if you want to find a perfect modern mirror of ancient Israel, just remove the RPGs and Toyota trucks from the Taliban's Afghanistan.  

 

"The whole conception of God is a conception derived from ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men."
--Bertrand Russell


I AM GOD AS YOU
Superfan
Posts: 4793
Joined: 2007-09-29
User is offlineOffline
Yeah .... looking at the 3rd

Yeah bright Ape .... looking at the 3rd world is also a look at our own recent past.


DamnDirtyApe
Silver Member
DamnDirtyApe's picture
Posts: 666
Joined: 2008-02-15
User is offlineOffline
I AM GOD AS YOU wrote:Yeah

I AM GOD AS YOU wrote:

Yeah bright Ape .... looking at the 3rd world is also a look at our own recent past.

Well, that's not exactly what I meant.  The Taliban's Afghanistan wasn't just another third world shit pile.  It was a third world shit pile under the governement of a theocratic party that collapsed brick walls on top of homosexuals, outlawed songbirds and destroyed thousand year old sculptural masterpieces in the name of hating idolatry.  Read your Old Testament and you'll find the parallels are tighter between the Taliban and the Ancient Jews than between the culture that produced the Renaissance and the Enlightenment and the ancient Jews.  

To remove all doubt about my opinions, I'll say that the most horrible slave-owning planter from colonial Virginia has a whole lot more in common with me ideologically than the average Mujahideen.

"The whole conception of God is a conception derived from ancient Oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men."
--Bertrand Russell


MattShizzle
Posts: 7966
Joined: 2006-03-31
User is offlineOffline
Here's another story showing

Here's another story showing this:

HERE

 


JillSwift
Superfan
JillSwift's picture
Posts: 1758
Joined: 2008-01-13
User is offlineOffline
MattShizzle wrote:Here's

MattShizzle wrote:
Here's another story showing this:

HERE

I read that earlier - what a strange situation. The kid's as dead as can be. There isn't the slightest ambiguity here, the brain is 100% necrotic. Yet, because machines and drugs are forcing the heart and lungs to function the parents think there's some hope for a miracle because of the religious definition of death.

Sick. Sad.

"Anyone can repress a woman, but you need 'dictated' scriptures to feel you're really right in repressing her. In the same way, homophobes thrive everywhere. But you must feel you've got scripture on your side to come up with the tedious 'Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve' style arguments instead of just recognising that some people are different." - Douglas Murray


thingy
SuperfanGold Member
thingy's picture
Posts: 1022
Joined: 2007-02-07
User is offlineOffline
Quote:But for the past few

Quote:
But for the past few days, a machine has continued to inflate and deflate his lungs. As of late Friday afternoon, his heart was still beating with the help of a cocktail of intravenous drugs and adrenaline.

That heartbeat has prompted Motl's parents, who are Orthodox Jews, to refuse the hospital's request to remove all artificial life support.

Under some interpretations of Jewish religious law, including the one accepted by the family's Hasidic sect, death occurs only when the heart and lungs stop functioning.

I'd sure hate to have someone with those religious convictions becoming a paramedic or work in some other form of emergency services.  Just imagine a kid gets pulled from the surf.  Jewish surf life saver rocks up and checks for heartbeat/breathing.  Instead of immediately starting on CPR he just goes "Nope, sorry.  Kid's dead."

Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
Censored and blacked out for internet access in ANZ!
AU: http://nocleanfeed.com/ | NZ: http://nzblackout.org/