Michael Moore strikes me as the Liberal version of O'Reilly.

What exactly is the big huge thing with everyone voting down there anyway? What value does a vote have if not cast responsibly? What's the point of getting 200 million people to vote when they don't give a rats ass and vote for some random guy? It seems counter-productive. Sure, I've heard the argument that John Doe didn't die in WWI so you could sit on your ass during voting time. Guess what guys? John Doe didn't die in WWI so you could vote for an idiot either.

I may be wrong, but I see it as a knee-jerk reaction left over from Jim Crow.  Activists had to put their lives on the line to make sure Southern blacks had the right to vote.   However, I do agree with you that ignorant voting is a very bad idea.

Good, more Moore.

Get some political education and vote you poor saps, or the rich fucks will take what's left of you.

"The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin" - Mark Twain

"Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you." ~ Perticles 430 B.C

Yeah darth, I'd most always vote 3 party, but I don't, because the virtual 2 party system sucks. Umm , how to fix? Bitch louder, but we still must vote. Shit, we should be voting on all kinds of stuff, and often ..... I'm pissed off, pass it on ....

  Solution: Voting should be a choice of preferences, 1 thru 10 or whatever, NOT, "pick one only". Seems even the V.P. position should be selected this way. With this improved method, a truer picture of the people's wishes would be made visible and realized. Also, the electoral college should be dropped, which was only useful in the "pre-instant electronic communication", horse and buggy days. 

  Brain dead economy solution: Reinstate only 'half stupid' Bill Clinton's better $ policy.   

I don't see Obama as a moron at all. And even if it was a not-too-good democratic candidate, I'd see that candidate against even a better than average republican one as like a choice between getting slapped in the face with a bare hand or kicked in the nuts with a steel-tipped boot. Given the choice, wouldn't you rather be slapped than risk having the other happen?

OK - look at the last 2 elctions. Neither Kerry nor Gore would have been that great a president, but they obviously would have been better than what we wound up with (hell, a syphillitic monkey could have done a better job. Or a random inmate from a state psychiatric hospital. )

Michael Moore is both good and bad. He makes easily digestible political fodder, that often entertains and educates, but...he is also dishonest in many of those portrayals, facts, and framing to further his goals in the classical "ends justify the means" mentality. I have watched all of his movies, and enjoyed most of them. Bowling for Columbine I thought was quite unfair to average gun owners and aficionados like myself, as well as Charlton Heston(who was completely deceived) but you aren't going to agree with everyone all of the time. I think Michael Moore is usually about 75% honest in his movies, but when you are making documentaries 100% should really be the standard.

A good truth telling documentary about some of Mike's dishonesty is called "Manufacturing Dissent" by a Canadian journalist. Its not real flashy, but its entertaining and not done by a right wing hack who simply despises all things progressive and all things Michael Moore.

At one time, back when he made *Roger and Me*, he wasn't nearly as bad.

As his popularity status has increased, so his ego has grown and his values changed.

Yes, sorry, I wasn't extolling that film but rather pointing out that at the time he

made it, he was virtually unkown, at least in the U.S. It was due to the success of

that film, whether the premise of Roger and Me was whole or not, that his ego took

off. He began recieving all kinds of accolades and it really shaped who he is today.

My previous post lacked clarity.

jeffrick,

Come back and defend your post. Please.

I was wondering why the price of canadian paper pulp was such a good investment. It's electronic and if you don't click someone then it don't count.

Actually, it is a federal republic. I gave you an idea of what a representative democracy looks like with the Ukraine. Currently, one representative has half a million people to represent in one house here. Is that person in charge of finding out what the majority opinion in their constituency says? NO. After 2 years of doing what they want instead of what we want then perhaps they'll be gone in order for us to delusionally hope the next guy/girl won't be the same way.

The 'pollsters' and oh my gosh do we have enough of them, work on such small samples of the populace that the only time we can give any credence to the results is when every one of them say nearly the same thing. Such as Bush's approval rating.

    You think we have too meny pollsters and polls,  so do I .  They aren't going anywhere and yes they do take a small sampleing to get their results, very irritating to me but I'm not sure a larger sampling will give different results. 

    Politicians running for office live and breath on their pollsters advice;  I wish the fuck they wouldn't but it is a reality we all have to live with.   Staying home on election day is NOT the best way to deal with that reality.

    Canada s   parliment works the same way as Ukraine's with less confussion, we even have a party sitting members in the Federal Parliment (collecting pay checks and pensions) dedicated to seperating Quebec from the rest of Canada; there has got to be a sick joke somewhere in that situation but I can't think of one to laugh at.

   VOTE!!! It does make a difference!!!!   If you can't think of someone to vote FOR then figure out who pisses you off the most and VOTE for the other one.  That to is democracy  and you get a nice warm fuzzy feeling inside as you leave the voting booth.

    My City (pop.750,000) has the same Mayor for nearly 30 years, she wins by acclimation,  no one runs against her; ergo no one votes for her or against her, she can't be that perfect,  yet do to apathy (non voteing) she looks that way.

    VOTE to save your democracy;  otherwise in the near future the results will be  based on pollsters sampleing less then 1% of the population in order to influence the 10% who actually vote. This is NOT farfetched;  here in the Greater Toronto Area Most Municiple politician win with less then 20% voter turn out, and each year the numbers get smaller.

    10  to  20% of the population sticking it to 80  to  90% of the population  doesn't sound like democracy to me,  apathy will screw you out of democracy faster then anything else. And the non voters will still bitch and complain about what they get stuck with,  I  just do not want to hear it,  so VOTE!!!!!!!!!!

I like Moore's sentiments, even if his arguments are weak and he is a tad populist.

       This is a  *bump*   and nothing more then a *bump*  to align with Canadas  election results of Oct.14/08.