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Faith in Jesus works for me - it's exciting. I love the Bible and believe all of it - though there is mystery. There is mystery everywhere though, right? I am a incredibly happy believer in Jesus. I'm not a theologian, I just believe in Jesus.
I understand you can't make anybody believe in Jesus and the Bible, and I don't personally try to do that. But I highly recommend it from my experience with it. I can't get enough of the Bible or Jesus. I can't imagine trying to navigate through life without it at this point in my life.
I don't think Jesus or God is a thing you can prove to somebody. I heard about it a large percentage of my life and it didn't mean anything to me until a certain point - then that all changed.
So do you guys think that I'm fooling myself, not really happy, you don't believe me, or do you really think I can't be as happy or enlightened as you - are you evangelistic in that sense or what? What is the purpose of this site? Do you have something better to offer? If so, what is your gospel?
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Offline Blacklight,
In this case you didn't pay. It's paid for and you're not in a bargaining position - only an accepting position.
Do I get to know what it is and what it does before I accept it? Do I get proof and/or evidence that it exists and functions as specified?
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Offline zara,Do you like that song, "Cold Kentucky Rain"? I think that's my favorite Elvis song.
I actually hadn't heard that song before you mentioned it. Having listened to it now, I'd say it's alright.
There are no theists on operating tables.
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Offline BRIAN,It appears that atheism won't stand up to close examination - it appears that the joy of the moment is mocking and giving the team impression that "we atheists are really tearing up Christianity"
It appears, that in all those years, you did not read a single post. Not even your own. You just spent four years here bearing false witness. I'd say you're doing a great job of "tearing up christianity" all on your own.
but to set that false impression aside for a moment and ask what the plan is the atheist is following (other than mocking and ridiculing Christ and Christianity) - that discussion hasn't been productive.
You asked for answers to your questions. You got them. Over and over again. This is your definition of an unproductive discussion ?
Maybe since you are the owner/operator of the whole website you can clear this up.
Oh, I can help you out there. See, the idea is to make the forum as cozy as possible for the theists who do the worst job possible representing their religion. From Brian's pov, your one of our most valued members.
When I ask about this (atheist substance) I don't get a clear answer.
Yes, you do. The funny thing is that you even acknowledge that yourself, here in this very thread. You have thanked people for their clear explanations (JC among them) and claimed you thought you understood their way of seeing things. Either you were lying then, or you're lying now. You really need to stop trying to have it both ways.
In other words you say you don't have faith (and I know there's different forms of this "no faith" jazz) but in order to function in this world you have to have faith in something or somebody. What is your faith in and what is your plan? How do you answer the question of the meaning of life and death, right and wrong, where we came from and why are we here? What is your common standard of reference? What I believe on this is real to me and I have laid it out - and I have also given reasons why.
So have the people you asked this question to. The proof of that is in all your threads. Why would you lie like this ? Why ?
You know, the last time I typed these words, and you responded with your usual snarky "oh yeah, show me where !" , which I did, only to be ignored AGAIN, so you could repeat that lie AGAIN....the last time you did that, your incredible dishonesty actually made me physically sick.
But sure, since the management of this forum is determined to let you lie to your heart's content, I'll oblige yet one more time : I have faith in many things, just not in anything supernatural. My plans are many. I guess my main plan right now is to make my loved ones as happy as possible. The meaning of my life is what I put into it, and death is merely a necessary part of that. Right and wrong are the rules we need to live together in harmony. My common standard of reference is a collection of the best, kindest, most courageous and interesting people I ever met. Yes, real, actual people. Go figure.
Did I just answer his questions AGAIN ? Why did I do that ??? *sob*
The typical atheist answer to close scrutiny is to revert to mocking, personal attack and other void emanations. It's true I've been asking this for a long time... but the answer, "oh, we answered that a long time ago" is simply a lie. This question hasn't been answered a long time ago (it's a reference to something that doesn't exist) and I'm beginning to think you guys don't have any answers of substance. I'm beginning to think your great "movement" here consists only in the so-called glee of in your collective eyes tearing down faith in Christ, the gospel, the Bible and God which isn't going to be done. You have nothing of substance it appears beyond crowbar work to build your life on.
I...I...I..
Seriously, how can you even type that ? How ? I don't understand !!! PEOPLE CAN READ ! Anyone who has read this thread or even just your previous one KNOWS you are lying here.
All those answers you claim you were never given ? IT'S ALL STILL HERE ! PEOPLE CAN READ THEM ! This is like opening a phone book and saying "there are no phone numbers in this book" !
You can come on and mention you have done good works in the world - is your faith in that?
Why would anyone need faith in their own good works ? How does that even make sense ?
Isn't it true that you are necessarily putting your faith in your perception of the world - which is what?
Even without faith, you will still perceive the world. Which is called reality.
Secondly, I believe I was unjustly kicked off because certain atheists couldn't take the heat. Maybe they made big contributions to your site and requested me off I don't know. But after quite a bit of the runaround due to pressing the question just described they tried to get out of it all with the lie that they had already answered this question. They haven't. Maybe you as leader can clear it up for them and me.
You are referring to Hamby and Deludedgod ? Yes, in their dealings with you, they never once answered a single one of your questions. That's absolutely, undeniably true. Of course it is. Why ? Because you just said it. Does it matter that the actual thread and Hamby and Deludedgod, and everybody else's posts prove you completely and absolutely wrong ? OF COURSE IT DOESN'T ! WHO CARES WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAID ! NOT US !
So I was kicked down to troll status which I accepted and started PALACE LIFE - just having a little fun being a troll and trying to find out what atheists have faith in. Then whoever it is that can handle all the crap that is put out on the site but couldn't handle what I was pressing had me kicked off that.
Yes, the rest of the site is "crap". Only you have value. This is also true. Actually read the other stuff to check that claim ? Why would anyone bother ?
If you can show me what there was about "WHAT FAITH YOU" or "PALACE LIFE" that didn't meet the atheist standard (and also - what IS the atheist standard?) I would like to know what it is.
Actually, if you read those threads, you'll find that the mods at the time explained their actions and position in great detail, and offered you every chance to react. "PALACE LIFE" in particular, had a long , final post that explained their decision at length.
You choose to ignore that, waited until those mods stopped being active on the board, and then you simply made a new account. You were caught almost immediately, but were allowed to continue.
This would strongly suggest that the "atheist standard" is, among other things, very forgiving indeed.
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Hehe. I hadn't seen you post on here in awhile Anonymouse. It's good to see you back. The reappearance of this thread even pulled YOU back into the site.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Blacklight,
You will find that in dealing with the power company you are dealing with a very independent bunch. You call them, find out where they want the mast, how high the meter, what size ground rod, how deep, what wire, how many clamps, location, etc. but when it comes to hooking up the power or if they will hook up the power - you don't tell them. They will hook it up if and when they want. Being conscious of that fact helps get it done BTW.
When it comes to understanding electricity - when it gets down to the finite there's mystery still locked unexplained. Don't let that keep you from living in a house with power. I wouldn't want to live in a house without power though I don't understand most of it. But I use it.
One thing nice about power it insulates you from the elements - weather. The whole world outside may be cold around you and seeping in but power allows you to turn up the heat, cool whatever. Just saying. Light also. Who refuses power these days? I know it can be dangerous but who lets that stop them? I want to be connected to the grid.
Electricity can be seen, measured, tested, and understood. What exactly does this have to do with proof of the existence of god ? Please enlighten me, because I fail to see any sort of connection here.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I'm just back because of this : post 436 in this trainwreck :
That's from october 2009, btw.
Let me just remind you all that Meph earned a troll badge, and everyone who's been here longer than a few months knows how damn near impossible it is to earn a troll badge here. It's easier to get arrested for genocide.
Getting rid of a troll badge, however, is ridiculously easy. Just get a new account.
Want to know what he did to earn his troll badge ? He got it for ignoring the answers he got to his own questions, and then simply asking the question again, claiming it never got answered. He was allowed to do this for over a 1000 posts before he got the badge.
What did he do with his new account ? Same thing. Asking the same question over and over again TO THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ALREADY ANSWERED THEM IN HIS FIRST THREAD.
So to all you people out there who want to compliment him on his "staying power", please explain to me what's so admirable about asking questions and then ignoring the answers for over 4 years. Seriously, explain this to me.
And to the mods, what use are troll badges, what use is moderation even if you're going to allow him to do this all over again ?
Oh look, a relevant question. Let's ignore that for another 4 years.
Read his threads. Read all of them, and you will crawl 500 miles through broken glass, just for the chance to apologize to us for what you just said.
"So to all you people out there who want to compliment him on his "staying power", please explain to me what's so admirable about asking questions and then ignoring the answers for over 4 years. Seriously, explain this to me."
How does that make him different than the other theists that come here?
Btw, TWD is worse than Fonzie in the regard you mention. He'll crawl through that glass, but only to say all atheists are dicks while he ignores responses and repeats his bullshit.
I don't manage troll badges, so I'm not in a position to comment. I think I could hand them out, but I don't feel comfortable just doing so.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Aha. I can hand out atheist or theist badges and that's it.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
That's exactly my point. ALL the mods here feel uncomfortable handing out troll badges. Not a single one of them wants to go that far. But Meph still managed to get one from some of the nicest and most unimaginably patient people I have ever met.
So I would argue that he deserves to keep it. Especially since his reaction to getting it was making a new account, and stubbornly pretending to be another person for over 4 years.
Read his first thread "WHAT FAITH YOU", and tell me with a straight face that he didn't deserve that troll badge.
I've probably seen it, and would probably agree. But seeing as how I can't hand out a troll badge anyway, I'll just happily keep blasting spam into non-existence. > >
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
One of the things I always loved about the Anonymouse I knew was his command of the relevant
Twd39 you could learn a thing or three from people like that.
Furrycatherder might have left because Brian never did give Furry that 'panentheist' badge (approx .6th of Jun or Jul) he/she kept on about.
TWD just pisses and moans about persecution and then makes some assertions, and then pisses and moans some more. I doubt that even were he to read through these threads, would he admit that these circular discussions with Fonzie have gone around and around and around.
Hell, every talking point that happened between me and Fonzie had been addressed before, and before, and before, and before.
Then after I dropped out of following this thread and picked it back up again several months later, every point that Fonzie and I had argued since then had been addressed again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
It truly is a revolving door and a matter of, which Atheist on here would like to have a back and forth with Fonzie this month type of thing.
I guarantee that you will be compared to some bad character in the Bible, a verse or two will be sent your way, a question of how the big bang gives your life meaning will be doled out, and then, it will all be ignored and started over again.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
If in fact, TWD39 is done being cross with you. Hey, Check out TWD's latest comment at the TWD39 thread, where in the re-asking about a beginning. Context is in her thread she went back to.
is she a she? I never saw they post where twd identified gender...
I guess it is just a case of gender bias by default. When reading someone that does not identify themselves as a him or her, I just assume it is a him. Unless there is some sort of femine name and that is still an assumption on my part.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I think the answer would lie in some comments in a previous Thread in an answer to BeyondSaving about cancer being in remission. Sorry I am running out the door as I type. Or I would look it up myself or provide a link. I could be mistaken, of course, (it wouldnt be the first time).
Re :: If only we had a Dutch Uncle to warn U what'd eventually happen . .
Re :: If only we had a Dutch Uncle to warn U what'd eventually happen . .
This is more testimony you arent listening . . .
While you could be referencing things that are used most frequently and are sited in arguments. Please at least acknowledge, The burden of proof lies with you. If this continues, You end up with your name crossed off, when it comes to people to bother interacting with. If nobody wanted to bother, you'd find little response, outside of unpleasantness and a few jeers. But next to no real interaction. At that point you dont have to worry about the subject at all. If necessary, I can provide examples of threads where this is taken place, I only need to look at Jean's threads (before your time) to drive home the point. The fact the board has taken the tack it has means means there is yet time to avoid the on coming train-wreck. How you came out of your first thread having learned so very little, would only indicate a uncomplicated and thin-skinned figure who is unwilling to engage in legitimate debate. Speculation has mounted that this is how Trolls are born by your manner and answers. Perhaps it doesnt matter at this stage with so very that could be cited as argumentation. Early I can only guess you did very little research. You know, Bill Nye the science guy, seems to know more about Sumeriology and the bible passage of the account about where the languages were 'confused' than yourself by all accounts. Stop lashing out and stop using tactics in avoidance of serious talking points. The more you act like this is one giant trial and/or affliction, and as your deepen frustration increases. What is the result, the further away we get from both the subject and actual talking points. You no longer have the right to be irritated, if you wont present actual evidence and reasons to consider a biblical teaching or biblical account. Why to bother with you in the first place, if all you can do is lash out when you dont like what another is saying. You haven't even tried to take a stab at providing and answer or bothering to comment on the individual comments. If Harley is talking about general 'unbelief', what does that have to do with the subject-matter or the OP at your Thread ? You dont need to comment. Why am I telling you this. Most people who have English as their first language are able to easily identify a topic and when one is merely making a comment that doesnt have anything to do with the subject matter of the topic. If you dont appreciate the free advise you neednt be worried about it. I myself asked you repeatedly in your thread to reply. There is no set time limit, make a note. Oh, yeah these specific people wanted a reply. Add to the list get around to it when you can. Easy! So, Where does it go from here ? This is how you go out with your name crossed out ?!?? If all you can do is change the subject, start a new thread.
I don't think we've seen the last of her, I just think she's just a legitimately busy person. This is either the second or third protracted absent period for her. She'll be back.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
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FLY,
Now...
Which # mentioned would I order for an Atheist Mc Substance combo? Where's the beef? (#442 #466 #472 #519 #526 #531 #616 #620 #623).
Hey meph,
Why should I continue to deal with a person who can't be trusted not to lie about something as trivial as his username? I can't take you seriously anymore. Are you lying about Jesus and the Bible you worship also?
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
If I pay a company to come do something and they call me up and say "we'll get to it when we feel like it, which might be never", I would cancel the job on the spot, demand my money back, and advise my friends and family to not do business with this company. Seriously, who in their right mind would EVER do business with a company like that?
In all of them.
If you didn't want the answers, you shouldn't have asked the question.
Fly,
Your answer acknowledges the importance of faith in learning - sharing - forum/ing. You don't have faith in me (anymore?) thus why exhibit your pearls, why dazzle me with your depth, wow me with your zeal for the atheist way, the better way. I get it and I don't take it personally. I haven't done anything for you, really (no one has). You have passed up faith in Jesus and faith in God for faith in yourself or no need for faith at all - how would I know I'm not privy. You have yourself - what more could you want, could there be, could I add. I can only imagine the wonder of the world you live and move in and have your being - a world I'm an alien to, a world not shared by the likes of me. I look on like one of the cows - the other cow being pulled out of the mud .... with "fear and hope" - and wonder what it's like to be you, to be whole, to be self-sufficient, to have life within oneself, a fire self-lit, an engine self-powered, a plan self created. I only see the results but alas I am shut out from the splendored nuclear core that satisfies and nourishes said fly, that enables flight, that navigates for time, times, and half a time, me alone and estranged in the hell you say that is mine for the loss in life's lottery of me not being you, nor getting to rejoice in the light of your countenance. (sigh)
You asked the question, he answered it. The end.
Not sure why you feel the need to add all that strange, attempted sarcasm, but whatever floats your boat, I guess.
And it is kind of nonsensical to on one hand acknowledge he finds sharing important, and then turn around and accuse him of being self-absorbed and superior. You're contradicting yourself again. You tend to do that when you're trying to provoke people.
Anyway, how about returning the favor and answering his question ?
Meph, if you are so willing to lie about trivia how can anyone trust you when you talk about important things?
(Hey nony I may have started a new game)
I'll come by and bat you around occasionally with this knowing that you'll never grow the stones needed to answer it.
If you want to learn, you need to listen to those who want to teach. Others have taught you better than I.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
4 more years ! 4 more years !
(I'd type "lol", but that would be "mocking and raging", and that's one drinking game I'm never playing again)
The way meph mocks his god I doubt if it would make too much of a difference.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Blacklight,
In this case you didn't pay. It's paid for and you're not in a bargaining position - only an accepting position.
I am almost afraid to ask what it is that we have, that is already paid for and taken us out of the bargaining position (or what it even is that we are not in a position to bargain about) or how a power company plays into this whole analogy.
I guess not too afraid, because I did post this. Maybe I have had one too many beers tonight.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
It's worse than finding out a politician has been re-elected eh ?
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
BRIAN,
It appears that atheism won't stand up to close examination - it appears that the joy of the moment is mocking and giving the team impression that "we atheists are really tearing up Christianity" but to set that false impression aside for a moment and ask what the plan is the atheist is following (other than mocking and ridiculing Christ and Christianity) - that discussion hasn't been productive. Maybe since you are the owner/operator of the whole website you can clear this up.
When I ask about this (atheist substance) I don't get a clear answer. In other words you say you don't have faith (and I know there's different forms of this "no faith" jazz) but in order to function in this world you have to have faith in something or somebody. What is your faith in and what is your plan? How do you answer the question of the meaning of life and death, right and wrong, where we came from and why are we here? What is your common standard of reference? What I believe on this is real to me and I have laid it out - and I have also given reasons why.
The typical atheist answer to close scrutiny is to revert to mocking, personal attack and other void emanations. It's true I've been asking this for a long time... but the answer, "oh, we answered that a long time ago" is simply a lie. This question hasn't been answered a long time ago (it's a reference to something that doesn't exist) and I'm beginning to think you guys don't have any answers of substance. I'm beginning to think your great "movement" here consists only in the so-called glee of in your collective eyes tearing down faith in Christ, the gospel, the Bible and God which isn't going to be done. You have nothing of substance it appears beyond crowbar work to build your life on.
You can come on and mention you have done good works in the world - is your faith in that? Isn't it true that you are necessarily putting your faith in your perception of the world - which is what?
Secondly, I believe I was unjustly kicked off because certain atheists couldn't take the heat. Maybe they made big contributions to your site and requested me off I don't know. But after quite a bit of the runaround due to pressing the question just described they tried to get out of it all with the lie that they had already answered this question. They haven't. Maybe you as leader can clear it up for them and me.
So I was kicked down to troll status which I accepted and started PALACE LIFE - just having a little fun being a troll and trying to find out what atheists have faith in. Then whoever it is that can handle all the crap that is put out on the site but couldn't handle what I was pressing had me kicked off that. If you can show me what there was about "WHAT FAITH YOU" or "PALACE LIFE" that didn't meet the atheist standard (and also - what IS the atheist standard?) I would like to know what it is.
When the whole entire topic of this thread has been argued, again and again and again and again and again. There is not really nothing left to talk about. Jokes and humor seem to be all that is left.
Heavy heavy sigh. Faith can not hold up as a knowledge claim. It is a fallacy of equivocation to say that : "You have faith in something" as though that somehow validates the christian faith.
Any type of "faith" that any sane, rational, human being puts into anything is probably due to A) experience from prior circumstances that something can take place that has happened before or B) simple hope. Hope is a desire, hope is a feeling. Hope is not a basis for a knowledge claim. I can hope for world peace all day long, doesn't mean that it substantiates anything.
Where we came from is self-evident via scientific observation and evidence. Why are we here ? There's no reason. It's pointless. Evolution does not have a purpose in mind.
Whether you believe your faith is true or not is beside the point. Faith again, is not a knowledge claim. Faith is simply pretending to know things that you can not possibly know.
I may believe that humans are intrinsically "good" for want of a better descriptive. That doesn't make it true. Evidence is the only thing that can work. Falsifiable,observable, testable, evidence.
I'll change my mind about not believing in god when evidence is presented that gives me a real reason for doing so. Until then, I see no reason to give the god claim any validity.
I can't possibly be expected to give all of those claimsany weight via lack of evidence for such.
It HAS been covered before. You asked me once how the Big Bang could give my life meaning. I told you that there is no meaning behind the Big Bang, this is the way that we know it happened. We went over some basic stuff about evolution and stuff.
I would say that you don't have anything of substance to offer if everyone that has been involved on this thread for any length of time can tell you, that Deluded God, TG Baker, Rednef and a few others have covered all of this.
That was before my time, so I don't know. I have only been here since 2010 and this thread already had about 5,000 posts back then. How I got drawn into it I do not remember.
Somebody else, will probably be willing to answer that one for you. I am sure there are many people that were around when that those other threads that you posted under another name can remember.
Is it in Trollville ? Can it be looked at ?
Should be since nothing that I am aware of gets deleted here.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno