It works for me!
Faith in Jesus works for me - it's exciting. I love the Bible and believe all of it - though there is mystery. There is mystery everywhere though, right? I am a incredibly happy believer in Jesus. I'm not a theologian, I just believe in Jesus.
I understand you can't make anybody believe in Jesus and the Bible, and I don't personally try to do that. But I highly recommend it from my experience with it. I can't get enough of the Bible or Jesus. I can't imagine trying to navigate through life without it at this point in my life.
I don't think Jesus or God is a thing you can prove to somebody. I heard about it a large percentage of my life and it didn't mean anything to me until a certain point - then that all changed.
So do you guys think that I'm fooling myself, not really happy, you don't believe me, or do you really think I can't be as happy or enlightened as you - are you evangelistic in that sense or what? What is the purpose of this site? Do you have something better to offer? If so, what is your gospel?
In this case you didn't pay. It's paid for and you're not in a bargaining position - only an accepting position.
Do I get to know what it is and what it does before I accept it? Do I get proof and/or evidence that it exists and functions as specified?
I actually hadn't heard that song before you mentioned it. Having listened to it now, I'd say it's alright.
There are no theists on operating tables.
It appears that atheism won't stand up to close examination - it appears that the joy of the moment is mocking and giving the team impression that "we atheists are really tearing up Christianity"
It appears, that in all those years, you did not read a single post. Not even your own. You just spent four years here bearing false witness. I'd say you're doing a great job of "tearing up christianity" all on your own.
but to set that false impression aside for a moment and ask what the plan is the atheist is following (other than mocking and ridiculing Christ and Christianity) - that discussion hasn't been productive.
You asked for answers to your questions. You got them. Over and over again. This is your definition of an unproductive discussion ?
Maybe since you are the owner/operator of the whole website you can clear this up.
Oh, I can help you out there. See, the idea is to make the forum as cozy as possible for the theists who do the worst job possible representing their religion. From Brian's pov, your one of our most valued members.
When I ask about this (atheist substance) I don't get a clear answer.
Yes, you do. The funny thing is that you even acknowledge that yourself, here in this very thread. You have thanked people for their clear explanations (JC among them) and claimed you thought you understood their way of seeing things. Either you were lying then, or you're lying now. You really need to stop trying to have it both ways.
In other words you say you don't have faith (and I know there's different forms of this "no faith" jazz) but in order to function in this world you have to have faith in something or somebody. What is your faith in and what is your plan? How do you answer the question of the meaning of life and death, right and wrong, where we came from and why are we here? What is your common standard of reference? What I believe on this is real to me and I have laid it out - and I have also given reasons why.
So have the people you asked this question to. The proof of that is in all your threads. Why would you lie like this ? Why ?
You know, the last time I typed these words, and you responded with your usual snarky "oh yeah, show me where !" , which I did, only to be ignored AGAIN, so you could repeat that lie AGAIN....the last time you did that, your incredible dishonesty actually made me physically sick.
But sure, since the management of this forum is determined to let you lie to your heart's content, I'll oblige yet one more time : I have faith in many things, just not in anything supernatural. My plans are many. I guess my main plan right now is to make my loved ones as happy as possible. The meaning of my life is what I put into it, and death is merely a necessary part of that. Right and wrong are the rules we need to live together in harmony. My common standard of reference is a collection of the best, kindest, most courageous and interesting people I ever met. Yes, real, actual people. Go figure.
Did I just answer his questions AGAIN ? Why did I do that ??? *sob*
The typical atheist answer to close scrutiny is to revert to mocking, personal attack and other void emanations. It's true I've been asking this for a long time... but the answer, "oh, we answered that a long time ago" is simply a lie. This question hasn't been answered a long time ago (it's a reference to something that doesn't exist) and I'm beginning to think you guys don't have any answers of substance. I'm beginning to think your great "movement" here consists only in the so-called glee of in your collective eyes tearing down faith in Christ, the gospel, the Bible and God which isn't going to be done. You have nothing of substance it appears beyond crowbar work to build your life on.
Seriously, how can you even type that ? How ? I don't understand !!! PEOPLE CAN READ ! Anyone who has read this thread or even just your previous one KNOWS you are lying here.
All those answers you claim you were never given ? IT'S ALL STILL HERE ! PEOPLE CAN READ THEM ! This is like opening a phone book and saying "there are no phone numbers in this book" !
You can come on and mention you have done good works in the world - is your faith in that?
Why would anyone need faith in their own good works ? How does that even make sense ?
Isn't it true that you are necessarily putting your faith in your perception of the world - which is what?
Even without faith, you will still perceive the world. Which is called reality.
Secondly, I believe I was unjustly kicked off because certain atheists couldn't take the heat. Maybe they made big contributions to your site and requested me off I don't know. But after quite a bit of the runaround due to pressing the question just described they tried to get out of it all with the lie that they had already answered this question. They haven't. Maybe you as leader can clear it up for them and me.
You are referring to Hamby and Deludedgod ? Yes, in their dealings with you, they never once answered a single one of your questions. That's absolutely, undeniably true. Of course it is. Why ? Because you just said it. Does it matter that the actual thread and Hamby and Deludedgod, and everybody else's posts prove you completely and absolutely wrong ? OF COURSE IT DOESN'T ! WHO CARES WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAID ! NOT US !
So I was kicked down to troll status which I accepted and started PALACE LIFE - just having a little fun being a troll and trying to find out what atheists have faith in. Then whoever it is that can handle all the crap that is put out on the site but couldn't handle what I was pressing had me kicked off that.
Yes, the rest of the site is "crap". Only you have value. This is also true. Actually read the other stuff to check that claim ? Why would anyone bother ?
If you can show me what there was about "WHAT FAITH YOU" or "PALACE LIFE" that didn't meet the atheist standard (and also - what IS the atheist standard?) I would like to know what it is.
Actually, if you read those threads, you'll find that the mods at the time explained their actions and position in great detail, and offered you every chance to react. "PALACE LIFE" in particular, had a long , final post that explained their decision at length.
You choose to ignore that, waited until those mods stopped being active on the board, and then you simply made a new account. You were caught almost immediately, but were allowed to continue.
This would strongly suggest that the "atheist standard" is, among other things, very forgiving indeed.