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It works for me!

 

Faith in Jesus works for me - it's exciting.  I love the Bible and believe all of it - though there is mystery.  There is mystery everywhere though, right?  I am a incredibly happy believer in Jesus.  I'm not a theologian, I just believe in Jesus.

I understand you can't make anybody believe in Jesus and the Bible, and I don't personally try to do that.  But I highly recommend it from my experience with it.  I can't get enough of the Bible or Jesus.  I can't imagine trying to navigate through life without it at this point in my life. 

I don't think Jesus or God is a thing you can prove to somebody.  I heard about it a large percentage of my life and it didn't mean anything to me until a certain point - then that all changed. 

So do you guys think that I'm fooling myself, not really happy, you don't believe me, or do you really think I can't be as happy or enlightened as you - are you evangelistic in that sense or what?  What is the purpose of this site?   Do you have something better to offer?  If so, what is your gospel? 

 


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Fonzie wrote:jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Here's some more "how atheism works for me (and others)"

1. A peace that comes from understanding rather than one than bypasses it.

2. The understanding itself that is used to operate in the world rather than blindly trusting one's pastor or a book to deal with the world for you.

3. A respect for one's self that can't be gained by worshiping a deity that thinks you're worthless (but loves you anyway?).

4. A clarity of thought that allows one to see things for what they are as opposed to needing magic to make things what one would like them to be.

5. The humility to see and acknowledge one's place in the world rather than deluding yourself into believing that your allegiance to an invisible friend makes you "special".

6. The desire to improve and grow instead of wanting to remain the child of your invisible friend.

7. The ability to be accountable to the other members of society rather than hiding from taking responsibility for one's actions because you're "forgiven".

How does Jesus "work for you" again? You've never actually said, have you?

 

 

J-fly,

 

I think you're a little too fulfilled and assuming to consider things that work for me.   But I'll take that as a rhetorical question. 

 

 

 

 

In other words, I answered your question (again) and you lack the courage and integrity to answer mine for  the first time.

Fonzie boy, how can you convince others to follow Christ's example when you don't?

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People -- what have you done

People -- what have you done --
locked Him in His golden cage.
Made Him bend to your religion --
Him resurrected from the grave.
He is the god of nothing --
if that's all that you can see.
You are the god of everything --
He's inside you and me.
So lean upon Him gently
and don't call on Him to save you
from your social graces
and the sins you used to waive.
The bloody Church of England --
in chains of history --
requests your earthly presence at
the vicarage for tea.
And the graven image you-know-who --
with His plastic crucifix --
he's got him fixed --
confuses me as to who and where and why --
as to how he gets his kicks.
Confessing to the endless sin --
the endless whining sounds.
You'll be praying till next Thursday to
all the gods that you can count.

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Hymn 43

Oh father high in heaven -- smile down upon your son
whose busy with his money games -- his women and his gun.
Oh Jesus save me!
And the unsung Western hero killed an Indian or three
and made his name in Hollywood
to set the white man free.
Oh Jesus save me!
If Jesus saves -- well, He'd better save Himself
from the gory glory seekers who use His name in death.
Oh Jesus save me!
I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon --
His cross was rather bloody --
He could hardly roll His stone.
Oh Jesus save me!

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Wind Up

When I was young and they packed me off to school
and taught me how not to play the game,
I didn't mind if they groomed me for success,
or if they said that I was a fool.
So I left there in the morning
with their God tucked underneath my arm --
their half-assed smiles and the book of rules.
So I asked this God a question
and by way of firm reply,
He said -- I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
So to my old headmaster (and to anyone who cares):
before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers --
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong --
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
Well you can excomunicate me on my way to Sunday school
and have all the bishops harmonize these lines --
how do you dare tell me that I'm my Father's son
when that was just an accident of Birth.
I'd rather look around me -- compose a better song
`cos that's the honest measure of my worth.
In your pomp and all your glory you're a poorer man than me,
as you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong --
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.

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Ktulu wrote:So... Fonzie,

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So... Fonzie, are you going to teach me the error of my ways? I think you missed my post a few pages back, asking for you to perhaps start a new thread.  

What do you say? you and I? My relative morals v.s. your biblical absolutes?  You show me how I'm wrong.  The offer still stands, I'm willing to learn if you're willing to teach me.

 

He's been here for over 4 years now, and in all that time, he's never once posted outside his thread.

He wants a pulpit, not a conversation.

 

Seriously, I admire you guys for giving him chance after chance after chance.....but come on, how much clearer can he make it that he's just not interested ?

Btw, if reverse psychology actually gets you a one-on-one thread, what makes you think anything you seemingly accomplish there won't be cheerfully cast aside in the very next post he makes ?

All of us , by ignoring his taunts and treats and bending over backwards for him, have been able to "get through" to him in some way. "Yes, I think I understand", "thank you for explaining it to me", or some other vague comment would be the result of weeks of wading through sanctimonious drivel. "By George, he's got it", we would think. And we would leave the thread with a feeling of accomplishment.

...only to notice, a few days later, that he's asking the same questions we spent weeks answering for him to another guy, and proudly claiming not a single atheist ever answered his questions.

So even if you do get him alone, and you're patient enough to wait for him to have an honest moment, it won't make a difference.

He'll take it all back the second your back is turned.

He's been doing this for years.


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TG,Thank you for the Tull.

TG,

Thank you for the Tull. Ian knew these folks well, it seems.

Anony,

I understand what you're saying but I run into so few masochistic chew toys that make me look like a genius.

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jcgadfly wrote:TG,Thank you

jcgadfly wrote:

TG,

Thank you for the Tull. Ian knew these folks well, it seems.

Anony,

I understand what you're saying but I run into so few masochistic chew toys that make me look like a genius.

You're a brave, brave soul

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jcgadfly wrote:Anony,I

jcgadfly wrote:

Anony,

I understand what you're saying but I run into so few masochistic chew toys that make me look like a genius.

 

You've been with him all the way, taking all his crap for years and you're still talking to him. . I've told you this before, but for that I think you deserve a medal, or at least the salary of a psychiatric nurse.

 

So if you'd rather I stop butting in and let him get on with it, I'll stop, no problem.

 

I just think there has to be a point at which we stop letting people lie to us.

 

There has to be a minimum of honesty. There just has to be.

 

(So Mods, have you guys decided yet if it's okay for trolls to get rid of their badge by registering again ?

Let me know when you figure it out, kay ? Preferably before this trainwreck hits 3000 posts)


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Anonymouse wrote:jcgadfly

Anonymouse wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Anony,

I understand what you're saying but I run into so few masochistic chew toys that make me look like a genius.

 

You've been with him all the way, taking all his crap for years and you're still talking to him. . I've told you this before, but for that I think you deserve a medal, or at least the salary of a psychiatric nurse.

 

So if you'd rather I stop butting in and let him get on with it, I'll stop, no problem.

 

I just think there has to be a point at which we stop letting people lie to us.

 

There has to be a minimum of honesty. There just has to be.

 

(So Mods, have you guys decided yet if it's okay for trolls to get rid of their badge by registering again ?

Let me know when you figure it out, kay ? Preferably before this trainwreck hits 3000 posts)

I'm not bothered by him or you. As I said earlier, every time he posts, he shows me why I left Christianity. I really don't want people to wind up like him so I have no problem with letting him reveal himself.

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jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Here's some more "how atheism works for me (and others)"

1. A peace that comes from understanding rather than one than bypasses it.

2. The understanding itself that is used to operate in the world rather than blindly trusting one's pastor or a book to deal with the world for you.

3. A respect for one's self that can't be gained by worshiping a deity that thinks you're worthless (but loves you anyway?).

4. A clarity of thought that allows one to see things for what they are as opposed to needing magic to make things what one would like them to be.

5. The humility to see and acknowledge one's place in the world rather than deluding yourself into believing that your allegiance to an invisible friend makes you "special".

6. The desire to improve and grow instead of wanting to remain the child of your invisible friend.

7. The ability to be accountable to the other members of society rather than hiding from taking responsibility for one's actions because you're "forgiven".

How does Jesus "work for you" again? You've never actually said, have you?

 

 

J-fly,

 

I think you're a little too fulfilled and assuming to consider things that work for me.   But I'll take that as a rhetorical question. 

 

 

 

 

In other words, I answered your question (again) and you lack the courage and integrity to answer mine for  the first time.

Fonzie boy, how can you convince others to follow Christ's example when you don't?

 

J-fly,

 

I unapologetically can't make an ass's colt be born a man.  You are pure in your own eyes such that the glory of God is only a catalyst for more distortion of your own state, more rejection of even God's mercy in Christ, more and more impurity of heart.  You think you are going to sail into eternity on these wings of self proclaimed, self produced "righteousness" - but I think you are going to see that the passions that work now when God graciously gives you life will find the gravity of the situation meeting death and the ensuing eternity you don't think exists. Until then of course you are free to prate on.  But....

Your wings won't have lift when you meet the final ultimate "gravitas".  Take this as wounds of a friend and reject the kisses of your enemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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I unapologetically can't make an ass's colt be born a man.  You are pure in your own eyes such that the glory of God is only a catalyst for more distortion of your own state, more rejection of even God's mercy in Christ, more and more impurity of heart.  You think you are going to sail into eternity on these wings of self proclaimed, self produced "righteousness" - but I think you are going to see that the passions that work now when God graciously gives you life will find the gravity of the situation meeting death and the ensuing eternity you don't think exists. Until then of course you are free to prate on.  But....

Your wings won't have lift when you meet the final ultimate "gravitas".  Take this as wounds of a friend and reject the kisses of your enemy.

 

You unapologetically refuse to answer simple questions.   I can't make a christian ass be born a son of Elvis.  You think you are going to sail into jesus' sphincter on these pills of self-prescribed, self-administered "lithium" - but I think you are going to see that the toxins that now work when Lithium pathologically gets you high will find the senility of the situation meeting brain-death and the ensuing kidney failure you don't think exists.  Until then of course you are free to preach to the padded walls.  But...

For the severalth + 16 ± µ2 time, 

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Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.

If you cannot answer simple, straightforward questions, it is useless for you to continue.  Dishonesty and intellectual cowardice does not work for me.

There are no theists on operating tables.

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Fonzie wrote:jcgadfly

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Here's some more "how atheism works for me (and others)"

1. A peace that comes from understanding rather than one than bypasses it.

2. The understanding itself that is used to operate in the world rather than blindly trusting one's pastor or a book to deal with the world for you.

3. A respect for one's self that can't be gained by worshiping a deity that thinks you're worthless (but loves you anyway?).

4. A clarity of thought that allows one to see things for what they are as opposed to needing magic to make things what one would like them to be.

5. The humility to see and acknowledge one's place in the world rather than deluding yourself into believing that your allegiance to an invisible friend makes you "special".

6. The desire to improve and grow instead of wanting to remain the child of your invisible friend.

7. The ability to be accountable to the other members of society rather than hiding from taking responsibility for one's actions because you're "forgiven".

How does Jesus "work for you" again? You've never actually said, have you?

 

 

J-fly,

 

I think you're a little too fulfilled and assuming to consider things that work for me.   But I'll take that as a rhetorical question. 

 

 

 

 

In other words, I answered your question (again) and you lack the courage and integrity to answer mine for  the first time.

Fonzie boy, how can you convince others to follow Christ's example when you don't?

 

J-fly,

 

I unapologetically can't make an ass's colt be born a man.  You are pure in your own eyes such that the glory of God is only a catalyst for more distortion of your own state, more rejection of even God's mercy in Christ, more and more impurity of heart.  You think you are going to sail into eternity on these wings of self proclaimed, self produced "righteousness" - but I think you are going to see that the passions that work now when God graciously gives you life will find the gravity of the situation meeting death and the ensuing eternity you don't think exists. Until then of course you are free to prate on.  But....

Your wings won't have lift when you meet the final ultimate "gravitas".  Take this as wounds of a friend and reject the kisses of your enemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You wanted the answers - I gave them to you. It's not my problem you don't like those answers or are frightened of those with the courage to give them to you.

I have no thoughts about sailing into eternity as the destination doesn't exist. It was created by people like yourself who fear death so much they needed to make a happy place to go to (and a place of torment for those they hated).

I thank you so much for giving me permission to "prate on" as you call it - it is not every day that I get permission from God's emissary to continue to answer his questions so he can ignore them.

I cannot consider what you say as the blows of a friend because you have shown me that you are not my friend. You are also not worth my consideration as my enemy.

 

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SELF VALIDATING SELF

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Here's some more "how atheism works for me (and others)"

1. A peace that comes from understanding rather than one than bypasses it.

2. The understanding itself that is used to operate in the world rather than blindly trusting one's pastor or a book to deal with the world for you.

3. A respect for one's self that can't be gained by worshiping a deity that thinks you're worthless (but loves you anyway?).

4. A clarity of thought that allows one to see things for what they are as opposed to needing magic to make things what one would like them to be.

5. The humility to see and acknowledge one's place in the world rather than deluding yourself into believing that your allegiance to an invisible friend makes you "special".

6. The desire to improve and grow instead of wanting to remain the child of your invisible friend.

7. The ability to be accountable to the other members of society rather than hiding from taking responsibility for one's actions because you're "forgiven".

How does Jesus "work for you" again? You've never actually said, have you?

 

 

J-fly,

 

I think you're a little too fulfilled and assuming to consider things that work for me.   But I'll take that as a rhetorical question. 

 

 

 

 

In other words, I answered your question (again) and you lack the courage and integrity to answer mine for  the first time.

Fonzie boy, how can you convince others to follow Christ's example when you don't?

 

J-fly,

 

I unapologetically can't make an ass's colt be born a man.  You are pure in your own eyes such that the glory of God is only a catalyst for more distortion of your own state, more rejection of even God's mercy in Christ, more and more impurity of heart.  You think you are going to sail into eternity on these wings of self proclaimed, self produced "righteousness" - but I think you are going to see that the passions that work now when God graciously gives you life will find the gravity of the situation meeting death and the ensuing eternity you don't think exists. Until then of course you are free to prate on.  But....

Your wings won't have lift when you meet the final ultimate "gravitas".  Take this as wounds of a friend and reject the kisses of your enemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You wanted the answers - I gave them to you. It's not my problem you don't like those answers or are frightened of those with the courage to give them to you.

I have no thoughts about sailing into eternity as the destination doesn't exist. It was created by people like yourself who fear death so much they needed to make a happy place to go to (and a place of torment for those they hated).

I thank you so much for giving me permission to "prate on" as you call it - it is not every day that I get permission from God's emissary to continue to answer his questions so he can ignore them.

I cannot consider what you say as the blows of a friend because you have shown me that you are not my friend. You are also not worth my consideration as my enemy.

 

 

J-fly,

 

In order for you to think you are following even this list means you have to be less than honest with yourself - a lot less.  There is a basic conflict between those thinking they can earn their salvation via their own checklist and those who accept the Righteousness of God through faith in Christ.  The ones deluded are those viewing themselves as righteous.  They stumble over the Rock - like the Jews did with Christ.

Plus your trust in your perception of who your friends are doesn't validate your perception (BTW).  It's just you on the phone to yourself - "Can you hear me now?"  "Yes, praise be unto you and blessings and peace be upon you."  "Yes, truly wonderful."  You're paying a lot for this contract.   

 

 

 

 

 


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Fonzie wrote:jcgadfly

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Here's some more "how atheism works for me (and others)"

1. A peace that comes from understanding rather than one than bypasses it.

2. The understanding itself that is used to operate in the world rather than blindly trusting one's pastor or a book to deal with the world for you.

3. A respect for one's self that can't be gained by worshiping a deity that thinks you're worthless (but loves you anyway?).

4. A clarity of thought that allows one to see things for what they are as opposed to needing magic to make things what one would like them to be.

5. The humility to see and acknowledge one's place in the world rather than deluding yourself into believing that your allegiance to an invisible friend makes you "special".

6. The desire to improve and grow instead of wanting to remain the child of your invisible friend.

7. The ability to be accountable to the other members of society rather than hiding from taking responsibility for one's actions because you're "forgiven".

How does Jesus "work for you" again? You've never actually said, have you?

 

 

J-fly,

 

I think you're a little too fulfilled and assuming to consider things that work for me.   But I'll take that as a rhetorical question. 

 

 

 

 

In other words, I answered your question (again) and you lack the courage and integrity to answer mine for  the first time.

Fonzie boy, how can you convince others to follow Christ's example when you don't?

 

J-fly,

 

I unapologetically can't make an ass's colt be born a man.  You are pure in your own eyes such that the glory of God is only a catalyst for more distortion of your own state, more rejection of even God's mercy in Christ, more and more impurity of heart.  You think you are going to sail into eternity on these wings of self proclaimed, self produced "righteousness" - but I think you are going to see that the passions that work now when God graciously gives you life will find the gravity of the situation meeting death and the ensuing eternity you don't think exists. Until then of course you are free to prate on.  But....

Your wings won't have lift when you meet the final ultimate "gravitas".  Take this as wounds of a friend and reject the kisses of your enemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You wanted the answers - I gave them to you. It's not my problem you don't like those answers or are frightened of those with the courage to give them to you.

I have no thoughts about sailing into eternity as the destination doesn't exist. It was created by people like yourself who fear death so much they needed to make a happy place to go to (and a place of torment for those they hated).

I thank you so much for giving me permission to "prate on" as you call it - it is not every day that I get permission from God's emissary to continue to answer his questions so he can ignore them.

I cannot consider what you say as the blows of a friend because you have shown me that you are not my friend. You are also not worth my consideration as my enemy.

 

 

J-fly,

 

In order for you to think you are following even this list means you have to be less than honest with yourself - a lot less.  There is a basic conflict between those thinking they can earn their salvation via their own checklist and those who accept the Righteousness of God through faith in Christ.  The ones deluded are those viewing themselves as righteous.  They stumble over the Rock - like the Jews did with Christ.

Plus your trust in your perception of who your friends are doesn't validate your perception (BTW).  It's just you on the phone to yourself - "Can you hear me now?"  "Yes, praise be unto you and blessings and peace be upon you."  "Yes, truly wonderful."  You're paying a lot for this contract.   

 

 

 

 

 

so...

Instead of providing a list of why Jesus "works for you" (you can't, can you?) you decide to call me a liar and try to fit my answers to your misconceptions.

I never claimed to be righteous - just to be as good to others and myself as I can be. as I can be. Do I follow all the elements of that list to their fullest? No and neither do you follow the commands of the Jesus of the Bible. The difference is that I own my actions and make amends to those I have wronged. You simply ask God for forgiveness and use that as cover for your continued wrongdoing.

Funny that you mentioned the Jews "stumbling over Christ". Never mind the fact that your source material was written by people who hated the Jews and gave Jesus a position that he (being a Jew) would never have claimed - God.

The claim that I'm simply telling myself how good I am is simply a case of you projecting yourself onto me. Please stop lying to yourself.

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IT DOES WORK FOR ME - IT COULD WORK FOR YOU

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

jcgadfly wrote:

Here's some more "how atheism works for me (and others)"

1. A peace that comes from understanding rather than one than bypasses it.

2. The understanding itself that is used to operate in the world rather than blindly trusting one's pastor or a book to deal with the world for you.

3. A respect for one's self that can't be gained by worshiping a deity that thinks you're worthless (but loves you anyway?).

4. A clarity of thought that allows one to see things for what they are as opposed to needing magic to make things what one would like them to be.

5. The humility to see and acknowledge one's place in the world rather than deluding yourself into believing that your allegiance to an invisible friend makes you "special".

6. The desire to improve and grow instead of wanting to remain the child of your invisible friend.

7. The ability to be accountable to the other members of society rather than hiding from taking responsibility for one's actions because you're "forgiven".

How does Jesus "work for you" again? You've never actually said, have you?

 

 

J-fly,

 

I think you're a little too fulfilled and assuming to consider things that work for me.   But I'll take that as a rhetorical question. 

 

 

 

 

In other words, I answered your question (again) and you lack the courage and integrity to answer mine for  the first time.

Fonzie boy, how can you convince others to follow Christ's example when you don't?

 

J-fly,

 

I unapologetically can't make an ass's colt be born a man.  You are pure in your own eyes such that the glory of God is only a catalyst for more distortion of your own state, more rejection of even God's mercy in Christ, more and more impurity of heart.  You think you are going to sail into eternity on these wings of self proclaimed, self produced "righteousness" - but I think you are going to see that the passions that work now when God graciously gives you life will find the gravity of the situation meeting death and the ensuing eternity you don't think exists. Until then of course you are free to prate on.  But....

Your wings won't have lift when you meet the final ultimate "gravitas".  Take this as wounds of a friend and reject the kisses of your enemy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You wanted the answers - I gave them to you. It's not my problem you don't like those answers or are frightened of those with the courage to give them to you.

I have no thoughts about sailing into eternity as the destination doesn't exist. It was created by people like yourself who fear death so much they needed to make a happy place to go to (and a place of torment for those they hated).

I thank you so much for giving me permission to "prate on" as you call it - it is not every day that I get permission from God's emissary to continue to answer his questions so he can ignore them.

I cannot consider what you say as the blows of a friend because you have shown me that you are not my friend. You are also not worth my consideration as my enemy.

 

 

J-fly,

 

In order for you to think you are following even this list means you have to be less than honest with yourself - a lot less.  There is a basic conflict between those thinking they can earn their salvation via their own checklist and those who accept the Righteousness of God through faith in Christ.  The ones deluded are those viewing themselves as righteous.  They stumble over the Rock - like the Jews did with Christ.

Plus your trust in your perception of who your friends are doesn't validate your perception (BTW).  It's just you on the phone to yourself - "Can you hear me now?"  "Yes, praise be unto you and blessings and peace be upon you."  "Yes, truly wonderful."  You're paying a lot for this contract.   

 

 

 

 

 

so...

Instead of providing a list of why Jesus "works for you" (you can't, can you?) you decide to call me a liar and try to fit my answers to your misconceptions.

I never claimed to be righteous - just to be as good to others and myself as I can be. as I can be. Do I follow all the elements of that list to their fullest? No and neither do you follow the commands of the Jesus of the Bible. The difference is that I own my actions and make amends to those I have wronged. You simply ask God for forgiveness and use that as cover for your continued wrongdoing.

Funny that you mentioned the Jews "stumbling over Christ". Never mind the fact that your source material was written by people who hated the Jews and gave Jesus a position that he (being a Jew) would never have claimed - God.

The claim that I'm simply telling myself how good I am is simply a case of you projecting yourself onto me. Please stop lying to yourself.

 

j-fly,

 

Of course I have provided a list of why Jesus works for me many times - but no problem I am never bored with the good news of Christ.  I'm going to dispense with numbers - the reasons are innumerable.

Jesus works for me because He is real in His Word throughout and He is real in His Presence in my life.  I have not just discovered the power of Jesus' name. I have studied and now have faith (enjoy) the Reality of Christ's Presence and the work of the Holy Ghost.  The enjoyment of Christ and His Presence is one thing you can't get too much of - and no sorrow with it.  Neither death nor life nor powers nor principalities (enemy powers), nor height nor depth nor any other creature can separate me from the love of Christ. 

Which brings me to how Christ has delivered me from bondage to the fear of death.  I am experiencing a foretaste of eternal life now (knowing Christ) and won't be separated from it at death. 

I am strengthened in all of life's challenges by the presence of Christ and His Mighty Arm.  Of course I am making a point of being on guard and fighting too - like Jesus did I watch and pray. 

So I have close fellowship with God and Christ in everything in life - and death is no problem.  Then I will continue in eternity with Him.  He lives an Indestructible Life now, keeps all His promises, by what He did His Death is the Guarantee of all Guarantees that God will keep His Word.  So in Christ I have total security and peace and hope - not of my own making.  It springs from the Eternal Well of the Water of Life.

If I sin I aim to repent and make it right with God.  Sometimes that involves making things right with people unlike you characterized the race you quit.  Sometimes I just need to make it right with God - like a thought that doesn't ever get wheels, never spoken or acted.  And there is discipline make no mistake for every son of God.  He disciplines every son He receives - and I have come to appreciate that.  The rod and staff comfort me. 

It works because the LORD'S body, the church is unified in Spirit and has the deepest fellowship.  We have help and instruction from different strengths and views.  We have counsel.  We teach and comfort each other from our own varied and similar experiences. 

It works because there is a deep meaning that applies to all of life - its origin, present, concerning wrongs, its future.  All we need to know is revealed.  We see the future darkly in glimpses, but then we will see the LORD we love face to face.  Life is heading toward a total fulfillment for those of us alive in Christ.  The tent gets worn and disintegrates but the treasure is renewed and gets brighter every day.

It's reality that not everybody accepts the gospel of Christ, the Gift of God.  That's not my desire but it's reality.  It's not something I can make you have faith in as we've discussed before.  And though I don't want it to be that way - it is.  I consider that I AM your friend unlike your opinion on that, because I am being totally honest with you about Christ, His Presence with me, my faith in Scripture and my understanding of it. which is all true.  It does work for me, it works great.  It's not my invention - it's the Righteousness of God that comes through faith in Jesus Christ and the substitute Sacrifice He made outside the camp for the sins of everybody who believes in Him.  I wish that was you, but it's not. You have faith in a righteousness of your own invention.  It won't fly.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Fonzie,

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. 

If you cannot answer simple, straightforward questions, it is useless for you to continue. Dishonesty and intellectual cowardice does not work for me.

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FALSETTO?

TGBaker wrote:

When I was young and they packed me off to school
and taught me how not to play the game,
I didn't mind if they groomed me for success,
or if they said that I was a fool.
So I left there in the morning
with their God tucked underneath my arm --
their half-assed smiles and the book of rules.
So I asked this God a question
and by way of firm reply,
He said -- I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
So to my old headmaster (and to anyone who cares):
before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers --
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong --
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.
Well you can excomunicate me on my way to Sunday school
and have all the bishops harmonize these lines --
how do you dare tell me that I'm my Father's son
when that was just an accident of Birth.
I'd rather look around me -- compose a better song
`cos that's the honest measure of my worth.
In your pomp and all your glory you're a poorer man than me,
as you lick the boots of death born out of fear.
I don't believe you:
you had the whole damn thing all wrong --
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.

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TG,

 

I don't get it.  Surely it's not just the boring obvious that there is such a thing as false "wind up" religion?  What am I missing here?  If that's the case you can't just describe the counterfeit and then attack.  You could do the same with false science.  

 

 

 


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j-fly,

 

Of course I have provided a list of why Jesus works for me many times - but no problem I am never bored with the good news of Christ.  I'm going to dispense with numbers - the reasons are innumerable.

Jesus works for me because He is real in His Word throughout and He is real in His Presence in my life.  I have not just discovered the power of Jesus' name. I have studied and now have faith (enjoy) the Reality of Christ's Presence and the work of the Holy Ghost.  The enjoyment of Christ and His Presence is one thing you can't get too much of - and no sorrow with it.  Neither death nor life nor powers nor principalities (enemy powers), nor height nor depth nor any other creature can separate me from the love of Christ. 

Which brings me to how Christ has delivered me from bondage to the fear of death.  I am experiencing a foretaste of eternal life now (knowing Christ) and won't be separated from it at death. 

I am strengthened in all of life's challenges by the presence of Christ and His Mighty Arm.  Of course I am making a point of being on guard and fighting too - like Jesus did I watch and pray. 

So I have close fellowship with God and Christ in everything in life - and death is no problem.  Then I will continue in eternity with Him.  He lives an Indestructible Life now, keeps all His promises, by what He did His Death is the Guarantee of all Guarantees that God will keep His Word.  So in Christ I have total security and peace and hope - not of my own making.  It springs from the Eternal Well of the Water of Life.

If I sin I aim to repent and make it right with God.  Sometimes that involves making things right with people unlike you characterized the race you quit.  Sometimes I just need to make it right with God - like a thought that doesn't ever get wheels, never spoken or acted.  And there is discipline make no mistake for every son of God.  He disciplines every son He receives - and I have come to appreciate that.  The rod and staff comfort me. 

It works because the LORD'S body, the church is unified in Spirit and has the deepest fellowship.  We have help and instruction from different strengths and views.  We have counsel.  We teach and comfort each other from our own varied and similar experiences. 

It works because there is a deep meaning that applies to all of life - its origin, present, concerning wrongs, its future.  All we need to know is revealed.  We see the future darkly in glimpses, but then we will see the LORD we love face to face.  Life is heading toward a total fulfillment for those of us alive in Christ.  The tent gets worn and disintegrates but the treasure is renewed and gets brighter every day.

It's reality that not everybody accepts the gospel of Christ, the Gift of God.  That's not my desire but it's reality.  It's not something I can make you have faith in as we've discussed before.  And though I don't want it to be that way - it is.  I consider that I AM your friend unlike your opinion on that, because I am being totally honest with you about Christ, His Presence with me, my faith in Scripture and my understanding of it. which is all true.  It does work for me, it works great.  It's not my invention - it's the Righteousness of God that comes through faith in Jesus Christ and the substitute Sacrifice He made outside the camp for the sins of everybody who believes in Him.  I wish that was you, but it's not. You have faith in a righteousness of your own invention.  It won't fly.

 

 

Jesus is real and you have discovered him, where exactly was he hiding and where is he now.

Nothing can ever seperate you from your jesus, he is like a liferaft in a turbulent sea. You don;t want to deal with reality so you take the hand of a popular make believe friend, how quaint.

You have a fear of death? How convenient then that you found a fantasy where you can live forever.

You are on guard and ready to fight the good fight eh, is it pay per view?

Discipline, rod and staff, have you actually seen these two items and if so were you bent over their knee getting your ass beat for getting in the cookie jar? Or was this in a private religious school where the teacher smacked you with a "rod".

The lords church, you mean those buildings that they get insured for fire and natural disasters? Or do you mean the group of people who also believe in the same thing you do based on what they also want?

The future? You know the future through your faith? Tell us what year then will this earth end, other religious fanatics have dates. As far as your origin your were made of dust by a superbeing no one has ever seen and you are fine with this. Amazing.

The "tent" gets worn and yet the treasure gets brighter every day. Are you stupid? I could fart and produce a better metaphor.

Your faith is scripture and you apparently have faith that the men who wrote it also talked to god. Good for you. I wish I could be so naive and ignorant, I hear it's bliss.

Mine doesn't have to "fly" it just is. Yours is what has to "fly" buddy and when you die you will be as dead as anyone else, wings are for birds.

You were made of dust by a superbeing who allowed you to disobey him who then punished you for being bad then sent his "son" to die for your sins and now you have to wait untill you are dead to go to see him...

Faith is the word but next to that snugged up closely "lie's" the want.
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  What am I missing here? 

Fonzie,

Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here. 

If you cannot answer simple, straightforward questions, it is useless for you to continue. Dishonesty and intellectual cowardice does not work for me.


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DOES THIS REALLY WORK FOR YOU?

robj101 wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

 

 

j-fly,

 

Of course I have provided a list of why Jesus works for me many times - but no problem I am never bored with the good news of Christ.  I'm going to dispense with numbers - the reasons are innumerable.

Jesus works for me because He is real in His Word throughout and He is real in His Presence in my life.  I have not just discovered the power of Jesus' name. I have studied and now have faith (enjoy) the Reality of Christ's Presence and the work of the Holy Ghost.  The enjoyment of Christ and His Presence is one thing you can't get too much of - and no sorrow with it.  Neither death nor life nor powers nor principalities (enemy powers), nor height nor depth nor any other creature can separate me from the love of Christ. 

Which brings me to how Christ has delivered me from bondage to the fear of death.  I am experiencing a foretaste of eternal life now (knowing Christ) and won't be separated from it at death. 

I am strengthened in all of life's challenges by the presence of Christ and His Mighty Arm.  Of course I am making a point of being on guard and fighting too - like Jesus did I watch and pray. 

So I have close fellowship with God and Christ in everything in life - and death is no problem.  Then I will continue in eternity with Him.  He lives an Indestructible Life now, keeps all His promises, by what He did His Death is the Guarantee of all Guarantees that God will keep His Word.  So in Christ I have total security and peace and hope - not of my own making.  It springs from the Eternal Well of the Water of Life.

If I sin I aim to repent and make it right with God.  Sometimes that involves making things right with people unlike you characterized the race you quit.  Sometimes I just need to make it right with God - like a thought that doesn't ever get wheels, never spoken or acted.  And there is discipline make no mistake for every son of God.  He disciplines every son He receives - and I have come to appreciate that.  The rod and staff comfort me. 

It works because the LORD'S body, the church is unified in Spirit and has the deepest fellowship.  We have help and instruction from different strengths and views.  We have counsel.  We teach and comfort each other from our own varied and similar experiences. 

It works because there is a deep meaning that applies to all of life - its origin, present, concerning wrongs, its future.  All we need to know is revealed.  We see the future darkly in glimpses, but then we will see the LORD we love face to face.  Life is heading toward a total fulfillment for those of us alive in Christ.  The tent gets worn and disintegrates but the treasure is renewed and gets brighter every day.

It's reality that not everybody accepts the gospel of Christ, the Gift of God.  That's not my desire but it's reality.  It's not something I can make you have faith in as we've discussed before.  And though I don't want it to be that way - it is.  I consider that I AM your friend unlike your opinion on that, because I am being totally honest with you about Christ, His Presence with me, my faith in Scripture and my understanding of it. which is all true.  It does work for me, it works great.  It's not my invention - it's the Righteousness of God that comes through faith in Jesus Christ and the substitute Sacrifice He made outside the camp for the sins of everybody who believes in Him.  I wish that was you, but it's not. You have faith in a righteousness of your own invention.  It won't fly.

 

 

Jesus is real and you have discovered him, where exactly was he hiding and where is he now.

Nothing can ever seperate you from your jesus, he is like a liferaft in a turbulent sea. You don;t want to deal with reality so you take the hand of a popular make believe friend, how quaint.

You have a fear of death? How convenient then that you found a fantasy where you can live forever.

You are on guard and ready to fight the good fight eh, is it pay per view?

Discipline, rod and staff, have you actually seen these two items and if so were you bent over their knee getting your ass beat for getting in the cookie jar? Or was this in a private religious school where the teacher smacked you with a "rod".

The lords church, you mean those buildings that they get insured for fire and natural disasters? Or do you mean the group of people who also believe in the same thing you do based on what they also want?

The future? You know the future through your faith? Tell us what year then will this earth end, other religious fanatics have dates. As far as your origin your were made of dust by a superbeing no one has ever seen and you are fine with this. Amazing.

The "tent" gets worn and yet the treasure gets brighter every day. Are you stupid? I could fart and produce a better metaphor.

Your faith is scripture and you apparently have faith that the men who wrote it also talked to god. Good for you. I wish I could be so naive and ignorant, I hear it's bliss.

Mine doesn't have to "fly" it just is. Yours is what has to "fly" buddy and when you die you will be as dead as anyone else, wings are for birds.

You were made of dust by a superbeing who allowed you to disobey him who then punished you for being bad then sent his "son" to die for your sins and now you have to wait untill you are dead to go to see him...

 

rob,

 

I see you are good at wisecracks, verbal crowbars and blasphemy - nothing new there.  I was just telling j-fly how it is that Jesus "works for me" - he asked... and then wondered why I hadn't answered.  And you simply mocked line by line... but you didn't instead offer your better approach to life - or is this it?  This of course is child's play.  I assume you are beyond that. 

So, what is your lead on life?  What is it that motivates you to respect other people (or is that a consideration?) - maybe someone ... somewhat different than you?  What are you wanting to teach those who look up to you, kids, grand kids.... this?  What is your approach to a good marriage or being, becoming a good employee?  Would you represent a company with this attitude? Would you handle your employees like this or fellow workers?  How do you view people you don't even know that might have convictions and beliefs?  Do you have the same respect for yourself that you show me?   

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Fonzie wrote:

 

So, what is your lead on life?  What is it that motivates you to respect other people (or is that a consideration?) - maybe someone ... somewhat different than you?  What are you wanting to teach those who look up to you, kids, grand kids.... this?  What is your approach to a good marriage or being, becoming a good employee?  Would you represent a company with this attitude? Would you handle your employees like this or fellow workers?  How do you view people you don't even know that might have convictions and beliefs?  Do you have the same respect for yourself that you show me?   

 

 

Since when did you or your fabricated deity ever respect any thought process at variance with your own? How does it go? Agree with me or be burned in a lake of fire? Agree with me or be tortured? Is this the way you want to raise children, represent a company, conduct a marriage? 

Your doctrine is a doctrine of violence best described as bullying and you are so weak minded and full of self loathing you agree with the bible's shallow one-dimensional summation of the humanity you represent. You accept that you, fonzie, needed to be 'saved' from your sad sack of 'sins'.  

Rob does not worship a contrived entity who plans to torture and kill you, Fonzie. As far as I am concerned, he owns the moral high ground. 

 

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Fonzie wrote:robj101

Fonzie wrote:

robj101 wrote:

Fonzie wrote:

 

 

j-fly,

 

Of course I have provided a list of why Jesus works for me many times - but no problem I am never bored with the good news of Christ.  I'm going to dispense with numbers - the reasons are innumerable.

Jesus works for me because He is real in His Word throughout and He is real in His Presence in my life.  I have not just discovered the power of Jesus' name. I have studied and now have faith (enjoy) the Reality of Christ's Presence and the work of the Holy Ghost.  The enjoyment of Christ and His Presence is one thing you can't get too much of - and no sorrow with it.  Neither death nor life nor powers nor principalities (enemy powers), nor height nor depth nor any other creature can separate me from the love of Christ. 

Which brings me to how Christ has delivered me from bondage to the fear of death.  I am experiencing a foretaste of eternal life now (knowing Christ) and won't be separated from it at death. 

I am strengthened in all of life's challenges by the presence of Christ and His Mighty Arm.  Of course I am making a point of being on guard and fighting too - like Jesus did I watch and pray. 

So I have close fellowship with God and Christ in everything in life - and death is no problem.  Then I will continue in eternity with Him.  He lives an Indestructible Life now, keeps all His promises, by what He did His Death is the Guarantee of all Guarantees that God will keep His Word.  So in Christ I have total security and peace and hope - not of my own making.  It springs from the Eternal Well of the Water of Life.

If I sin I aim to repent and make it right with God.  Sometimes that involves making things right with people unlike you characterized the race you quit.  Sometimes I just need to make it right with God - like a thought that doesn't ever get wheels, never spoken or acted.  And there is discipline make no mistake for every son of God.  He disciplines every son He receives - and I have come to appreciate that.  The rod and staff comfort me. 

It works because the LORD'S body, the church is unified in Spirit and has the deepest fellowship.  We have help and instruction from different strengths and views.  We have counsel.  We teach and comfort each other from our own varied and similar experiences. 

It works because there is a deep meaning that applies to all of life - its origin, present, concerning wrongs, its future.  All we need to know is revealed.  We see the future darkly in glimpses, but then we will see the LORD we love face to face.  Life is heading toward a total fulfillment for those of us alive in Christ.  The tent gets worn and disintegrates but the treasure is renewed and gets brighter every day.

It's reality that not everybody accepts the gospel of Christ, the Gift of God.  That's not my desire but it's reality.  It's not something I can make you have faith in as we've discussed before.  And though I don't want it to be that way - it is.  I consider that I AM your friend unlike your opinion on that, because I am being totally honest with you about Christ, His Presence with me, my faith in Scripture and my understanding of it. which is all true.  It does work for me, it works great.  It's not my invention - it's the Righteousness of God that comes through faith in Jesus Christ and the substitute Sacrifice He made outside the camp for the sins of everybody who believes in Him.  I wish that was you, but it's not. You have faith in a righteousness of your own invention.  It won't fly.

 

 

Jesus is real and you have discovered him, where exactly was he hiding and where is he now.

Nothing can ever seperate you from your jesus, he is like a liferaft in a turbulent sea. You don;t want to deal with reality so you take the hand of a popular make believe friend, how quaint.

You have a fear of death? How convenient then that you found a fantasy where you can live forever.

You are on guard and ready to fight the good fight eh, is it pay per view?

Discipline, rod and staff, have you actually seen these two items and if so were you bent over their knee getting your ass beat for getting in the cookie jar? Or was this in a private religious school where the teacher smacked you with a "rod".

The lords church, you mean those buildings that they get insured for fire and natural disasters? Or do you mean the group of people who also believe in the same thing you do based on what they also want?

The future? You know the future through your faith? Tell us what year then will this earth end, other religious fanatics have dates. As far as your origin your were made of dust by a superbeing no one has ever seen and you are fine with this. Amazing.

The "tent" gets worn and yet the treasure gets brighter every day. Are you stupid? I could fart and produce a better metaphor.

Your faith is scripture and you apparently have faith that the men who wrote it also talked to god. Good for you. I wish I could be so naive and ignorant, I hear it's bliss.

Mine doesn't have to "fly" it just is. Yours is what has to "fly" buddy and when you die you will be as dead as anyone else, wings are for birds.

You were made of dust by a superbeing who allowed you to disobey him who then punished you for being bad then sent his "son" to die for your sins and now you have to wait untill you are dead to go to see him...

 

rob,

 

I see you are good at wisecracks, verbal crowbars and blasphemy - nothing new there.  I was just telling j-fly how it is that Jesus "works for me" - he asked... and then wondered why I hadn't answered.  And you simply mocked line by line... but you didn't instead offer your better approach to life - or is this it?  This of course is child's play.  I assume you are beyond that. 

So, what is your lead on life?  What is it that motivates you to respect other people (or is that a consideration?) - maybe someone ... somewhat different than you?  What are you wanting to teach those who look up to you, kids, grand kids.... this?  What is your approach to a good marriage or being, becoming a good employee?  Would you represent a company with this attitude? Would you handle your employees like this or fellow workers?  How do you view people you don't even know that might have convictions and beliefs?  Do you have the same respect for yourself that you show me?   

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's been "offered" several times, you ignore it because it is not what you "want".

What motivates me to respect other people? We are all "people" and in my view we are all a part of a whole. I do dislike seeing people fucking things up for example with religion which detaches us from this reality. I might respect the person as an idividual but that does not mean I will respect their beliefs when I think they are doing things they would do without said beliefs but they blame it on..yes those beliefs. As an example someone does something good but then praises jesus for it when it was clearly the individual or when something bad happens and then they blame it on ..people.

Hum, what do I want to teach people? Again, that we are all one item, killing and doing harm to one another is not productive even though we may live in different places on this planet we are all one, even the animals. Humans are merely the "lead" animal.

I am not married and I'm not really looking for it.

As an employee and an employer I appreciate "pride" and "care" in one's work. If I do something I like to know it was done well and I like to be able to count on my employees to do the same. (it is difficult to find people who actually care about doing a good job)

Of course I have more respect for myself, you are just some random super theist on the internet of whom I have become disgruntled with for consistent pandering for a god that doesn't exist, you claim to be happy yet here you are. I am however not so detached, I talk on these forums and elsewhere because I have this mad idea that I might be able to help someone live a better more real life and let them know they too can be happy with reality. The thing is I might explain everything I do, want, like, love, whatever but you find your own truth when you realize it. You think you have found yours but I am in disagreement. If a god existed he would provide more than a "feeling" that he did and the bible is so clearly written by men I can only conclude that one who believes it is one who wants an easy way out and will develop a "feeling" out of want.

This has already been explained, you ignore too much which is why I think you need a troll label, you just come back and spout more carp about your god whom you have yet to prove even begins to exist for anyone but yourself.

 

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Fonzie wrote:I see you are

Fonzie wrote:

I see you are good at wisecracks, verbal crowbars and blasphemy - nothing new there. 

Well, you ignored all his posts where he simply answers your questions and deals with your claims. Like you do with everybody who posts here. Nothing new there.

Funnily enough, when he posts nothing but a pic, or drops an f-bomb or two, suddenly you're interested !

Gosh.

Golly.

I wonder what that's all about.

 

Sooo....I guess now you're going to ask him a load of questions you already have the answer to ?

Fonzie wrote:
So, what is your lead on life?  What is it that motivates you to respect other people (or is that a consideration?) - maybe someone ... somewhat different than you?  What are you wanting to teach those who look up to you, kids, grand kids.... this?  What is your approach to a good marriage or being, becoming a good employee?  Would you represent a company with this attitude? Would you handle your employees like this or fellow workers?  How do you view people you don't even know that might have convictions and beliefs?  Do you have the same respect for yourself that you show me?   

 

Yeah, nothing new there.

 

Could somebody tell me why his consistent dishonesty needs to be rewarded by a non-stop supply of people who are still willing to talk to him ?

 

Enough already.

 

Feed the troll questions he doesn't want to answer, or don't feed him at all.

 

 


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I'm actually a bit tired of waiting for the mods to give him his badge back.

 

All in favor of sending this guy to coventry ?

 

I mean, seriously, 4 years of being shamelessly lied to by what's basically a spammer is more than enough.


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You have faith in a righteousness of your own invention.  It won't fly.

In the same way that you cannot prove you are correct, you cannot prove that any other person is incorrect.

IOW, you're talking through your ass...

I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."

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I'm actually a bit tired of waiting for the mods to give him his badge back.

 

All in favor of sending this guy to coventry ?

 

I mean, seriously, 4 years of being shamelessly lied to by what's basically a spammer is more than enough.

So lets use his thread to discuss something else.

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robj101 wrote:Anonymouse

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I'm actually a bit tired of waiting for the mods to give him his badge back.

 

All in favor of sending this guy to coventry ?

 

I mean, seriously, 4 years of being shamelessly lied to by what's basically a spammer is more than enough.

So lets use his thread to discuss something else.

Now that works for me.

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jcgadfly wrote:robj101

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robj101 wrote:

Anonymouse wrote:

I'm actually a bit tired of waiting for the mods to give him his badge back.

 

All in favor of sending this guy to coventry ?

 

I mean, seriously, 4 years of being shamelessly lied to by what's basically a spammer is more than enough.

So lets use his thread to discuss something else.

Now that works for me.

So how well do you think Caposkia, Fonzie, Jean Chauvin, Gramster, Presuppositionalist, and Mr_Metaphysics, would all get along at a church picnic?...

I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."

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redneF wrote:jcgadfly

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jcgadfly wrote:

robj101 wrote:

Anonymouse wrote:

I'm actually a bit tired of waiting for the mods to give him his badge back.

 

All in favor of sending this guy to coventry ?

 

I mean, seriously, 4 years of being shamelessly lied to by what's basically a spammer is more than enough.

So lets use his thread to discuss something else.

Now that works for me.

So how well do you think Caposkia, Fonzie, Jean Chauvin, Gramster, Presuppositionalist, and Mr_Metaphysics, would all get along at a church picnic?...

I see jean showing up hiding a large knife behind his back, fonzie would have a pack of cyanide eyeballing the kool aid jug, presup would be blabbing about some website he was looking at this morning, everyone else would be in awe of this new website presup found and discussing how they could copy/paste so much stuff from it.

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I see jean showing up hiding a large knife behind his back, fonzie would have a pack of cyanide eyeballing the kool aid jug, presup would be blabbing about some website he was looking at this morning, everyone else would be in awe of this new website presup found and discussing how they could copy/paste so much stuff from it.

From the woods comes Paisley's voice:  "Why is there a picnic rather than no picnic?"

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I see jean showing up hiding a large knife behind his back, fonzie would have a pack of cyanide eyeballing the kool aid jug, presup would be blabbing about some website he was looking at this morning, everyone else would be in awe of this new website presup found and discussing how they could copy/paste so much stuff from it.

From the woods comes Paisley's voice:  "Why is there a picnic rather than no picnic?"

lol

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zarathustra wrote:robj101

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I see jean showing up hiding a large knife behind his back, fonzie would have a pack of cyanide eyeballing the kool aid jug, presup would be blabbing about some website he was looking at this morning, everyone else would be in awe of this new website presup found and discussing how they could copy/paste so much stuff from it.

From the woods comes Paisley's voice:  "Why is there a picnic rather than no picnic?"

Mr_Metaphysics would come up with an ontological argument, and then Jean Jean would be all over his ass...

I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."

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This is a much better idea

This is a much better idea than engaging this individual, I think we need the odd f-bomb.  FUCK!.  And maybe we can talk about how our atheism works for us in detail.  FUCK!  

Why has atheism made you a better person? Or not made you a better person?

For myself, I think I judged priories with much less emotional baggage, for example I would consider someone's benefit in the work force, before i consider his/her sexual preferences, or how they offend some god or other.  

 

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Ktulu wrote:This is a much

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This is a much better idea than engaging this individual, I think we need the odd f-bomb.  FUCK!.  And maybe we can talk about how our atheism works for us in detail.  FUCK!  

Why has atheism made you a better person? Or not made you a better person?

For myself, I think I judged priories with much less emotional baggage, for example I would consider someone's benefit in the work force, before i consider his/her sexual preferences, or how they offend some god or other.  

 

Atheism helped me to get over racism and to look at people as people. Probably the most important thing it has done for me.

It helped eliminate the "detachment" for others that so many people suffer from.

Another thing, I was a manic depressive in my 20's, trying to "believe". No meds seemed to help with my depression as I struggled to make christianity work. I finally figured it out and I'm happy enough now and I am on no meds.

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robj101 wrote:Ktulu

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Ktulu wrote:

This is a much better idea than engaging this individual, I think we need the odd f-bomb.  FUCK!.  And maybe we can talk about how our atheism works for us in detail.  FUCK!  

Why has atheism made you a better person? Or not made you a better person?

For myself, I think I judged priories with much less emotional baggage, for example I would consider someone's benefit in the work force, before i consider his/her sexual preferences, or how they offend some god or other.  

 

Atheism helped me to get over racism and to look at people as people. Probably the most important thing it has done for me.

It helped eliminate the "detachment" for others that so many people suffer from.

Another thing, I was a manic depressive in my 20's, trying to "believe". No meds seemed to help with my depression as I struggled to make christianity work. I finally figured it out and I'm happy enough now and I am on no meds.

I didn't have the mania. I was depressed and had the self esteem of a rock when I was trying to believe. Still on meds but am a lot happier and more self assured since I stopped trying to con myself into Christianity.

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robj101 wrote:Atheism helped

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Atheism helped me to get over racism and to look at people as people. Probably the most important thing it has done for me.

It helped eliminate the "detachment" for others that so many people suffer from.

Another thing, I was a manic depressive in my 20's, trying to "believe". No meds seemed to help with my depression as I struggled to make christianity work. I finally figured it out and I'm happy enough now and I am on no meds.

You forgot to say FUCK! Smiling

Ya, some forms of depression can be self inflicted, then a chemical snowball effect comes from the symptoms, such as insomnia, poor diet, lack of exercise, and substance abuse.  I think my relative relation with others and the environment helped me snap out of my self inflicted depression in my mid teens.  The ideas behind atheism definitely helped me with that. 

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I second that FUCK and raise

I second that FUCK and raise you a WTF. Atheism works for me because I spend less time praying to a non-existent deity. I misinterpret reality less.  I have more time on Sundays to do meaningful stuff. I am less judgemental of others.  My morality is better now that it is not tainted by false biblical claims. I do good stuff because it is good rather than fearing hell or trying to buy my way into heaven.  My politics are not fucked up by a eschatology that requires certain things to happen in the Mid-East.  I can give more attention to significant myths like Santa Claus.  My science works better without the unneeded formula of a creator.

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I second that FUCK and raise you a WTF. Atheism works for me because I spend less time praying to a non-existent deity. I misinterpret reality less.  I have more time on Sundays to do meaningful stuff. I am less judgemental of others.  My morality is better now that it is not tainted by false biblical claims. I do good stuff because it is good rather than fearing hell or trying to buy my way into heaven.

That was pretty much the effect for me too. A lot of time opened up, and I decided to fill it with being a better person. Which turned out to be a lot more work than being religious.

Another strange side-effect was that my grades went up.

 

Fuck.


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Yea I have sundays off to

Yea I have sundays off to play fucking disc golf and stuff. My little dog "Sissy" pretty much goes everywhere with me, I doubt she want's to go to church anyway.

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robj101 wrote:

Ktulu wrote:

This is a much better idea than engaging this individual, I think we need the odd f-bomb.  FUCK!.  And maybe we can talk about how our atheism works for us in detail.  FUCK!  

Why has atheism made you a better person? Or not made you a better person?

For myself, I think I judged priories with much less emotional baggage, for example I would consider someone's benefit in the work force, before i consider his/her sexual preferences, or how they offend some god or other.  

 

Atheism helped me to get over racism and to look at people as people. Probably the most important thing it has done for me.

It helped eliminate the "detachment" for others that so many people suffer from.

Another thing, I was a manic depressive in my 20's, trying to "believe". No meds seemed to help with my depression as I struggled to make christianity work. I finally figured it out and I'm happy enough now and I am on no meds.

redneF wrote:

 

In the same way that you cannot prove you are correct, you cannot prove that any other person is incorrect.

IOW, you're talking through your ass... 

 

 

rob,

 

Sure, go ahead and show the world what the fellowship of atheism is all about in great detail.  It's your sport.  You help teach me what to expect in the battle with your father the devil thought by thought.  It was always there - it just took a little time for you to take off your cloak of "self righteousness" and reveal yourselves as you truly are. 

 

 

 

 

 


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Fonzie wrote:robj101

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robj101 wrote:

Ktulu wrote:

This is a much better idea than engaging this individual, I think we need the odd f-bomb.  FUCK!.  And maybe we can talk about how our atheism works for us in detail.  FUCK!  

Why has atheism made you a better person? Or not made you a better person?

For myself, I think I judged priories with much less emotional baggage, for example I would consider someone's benefit in the work force, before i consider his/her sexual preferences, or how they offend some god or other.  

 

Atheism helped me to get over racism and to look at people as people. Probably the most important thing it has done for me.

It helped eliminate the "detachment" for others that so many people suffer from.

Another thing, I was a manic depressive in my 20's, trying to "believe". No meds seemed to help with my depression as I struggled to make christianity work. I finally figured it out and I'm happy enough now and I am on no meds.

redneF wrote:

 

In the same way that you cannot prove you are correct, you cannot prove that any other person is incorrect.

IOW, you're talking through your ass... 

 

 

rob,

 

Sure, go ahead and show the world what the fellowship of atheism is all about in great detail.  It's your sport.  You help teach me what to expect in the battle with your father the devil thought by thought.  It was always there - it just took a little time for you to take off your cloak of "self righteousness" and reveal yourselves as you truly are. 

 

 

 

 

 

In a mood this morning are we?

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I second that FUCK and raise you a WTF. Atheism works for me because I spend less time praying to a non-existent deity. I misinterpret reality less.  I have more time on Sundays to do meaningful stuff. I am less judgemental of others.  My morality is better now that it is not tainted by false biblical claims. I do good stuff because it is good rather than fearing hell or trying to buy my way into heaven.  My politics are not fucked up by a eschatology that requires certain things to happen in the Mid-East.  I can give more attention to significant myths like Santa Claus.  My science works better without the unneeded formula of a creator.

I like that summary. may I borrow it?

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robj101 wrote:In a mood this

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In a mood this morning are we?

Fuck dude, who you talking to ?

 

Me, I'm in a pretty good mood this morning actually.

How you doing ?


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rob,
 

Sure, go ahead and show the world what the fellowship of atheism is all about in great detail.  It's your sport.  You help teach me what to expect in the battle with your father the devil thought by thought.  It was always there - it just took a little time for you to take off your cloak of "self righteousness" and reveal yourselves as you truly are. 

 

I'm sorry Fonzie, but you're in time out.  

Until you're ready to answer straightforward questions, you can go sit in the corner and think about the es you've told.

 

When you grow your honesty back, the question --for the severalth + 18 ± µ2 time -- is 

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Did you create the "what faith you" thread? That would be the thread titled "what faith you"; created by the user named "mephibosheth" on September 6, 2007 - 5:57pm, and which can be found here.
 

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I second that FUCK and raise you a WTF. Atheism works for me because I spend less time praying to a non-existent deity. I misinterpret reality less.  I have more time on Sundays to do meaningful stuff. I am less judgemental of others.  My morality is better now that it is not tainted by false biblical claims. I do good stuff because it is good rather than fearing hell or trying to buy my way into heaven.  My politics are not fucked up by a eschatology that requires certain things to happen in the Mid-East.  I can give more attention to significant myths like Santa Claus.  My science works better without the unneeded formula of a creator.

I like that summary. may I borrow it?

certainly

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In a mood this morning are we?

Fuck dude, who you talking to ?

 

Me, I'm in a pretty good mood this morning actually.

How you doing ?

Besides being at work I'm fine, I get to take off early to get some stuff done so I'm even better actually!

How's your day going so far?

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robj101 wrote:Anonymouse

robj101 wrote:

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robj101 wrote:

In a mood this morning are we?

Fuck dude, who you talking to ?

 

Me, I'm in a pretty good mood this morning actually.

How you doing ?

Besides being at work I'm fine, I get to take off early to get some stuff done so I'm even better actually!

I'd like to be leaving early but I'd just have to go out in the Indiana rain. It seems that Gov. Goodhair is praying for rain in Texas and God has lousy aim.

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robj101 wrote:

Anonymouse wrote:

robj101 wrote:

In a mood this morning are we?

Fuck dude, who you talking to ?

 

Me, I'm in a pretty good mood this morning actually.

How you doing ?

Besides being at work I'm fine, I get to take off early to get some stuff done so I'm even better actually!

I'd like to be leaving early but I'd just have to go out in the Indiana rain. It seems that Gov. Goodhair is praying for rain in Texas and God has lousy aim.

Raining down south is it? Clear blue sky up here in N TX.

edit: lol you said gov of TX I nixed the Indiana part.

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 Yea now that I think about

 Yea now that I think about it I heard something about the bigwig morons here decided to pray for rain, maybe they could do a little song and dance too.

Sad thing is it will eventually rain and they will blame it on jeebus.

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 I think we need the odd f-bomb.  FUCK!. 

Fuckin' A, Dude!

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  And maybe we can talk about how our atheism works for us in detail.  FUCK! 

Right.

Well, for me, the question (which I realize is like that from a theist position) is an incoherent one, since atheism is not a 'polarity', like theism is. Much in the same way that not collecting stamps isn't a 'hobby', or that not fishing, isn't a 'sport', or 'pastime'. 

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 Why has atheism made you a better person?

It hasn't, because it's non existent, really.

Whatever I am as a person, is about everything to do with me as the person I choose to be. And I'm not obligated to justify myself to anyone, for simply having my own characteristics.

If someone doesn't like me, they'll get no protest from me, whatsoever, nor will they see any effort from me to try and convince them otherwise. And I've found that this upsets some people, even to the point of infuriating them, because they can't cope with feeling insignificant.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have the problem of attracting people even when I don't want them to. My life has never been lacking in people who like me tremendously, and make efforts to be in my life.

I think it's theists who would have to explain how they walk around in life, having as much contempt for so many people, who are just living and enjoying life, and are loved and appreciated so deeply, by so many.

By any theist's perspective, there's a slew of things they could accuse me of sin and immoral behaviour. However, it's not logically consistent with how most people (including many theists) feel about me, so the burden is their's to convince anyone else that I'm 'immoral'.

As far as 'sin'? Fuck, that's what so great about being alive, innit?...

 

I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."

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