The New Atheist Crusaders and their quest for the Unholy Grail
Hey all. It's been a while since I've been on. I appologise, I've been busy.
The title of this forum is the title of a book I just finished reading. It's a catchy title, so I figured it'd be a good way to grab someone's attention on here. The book is written by Becky Garrison.
If her name doesn't sound familiar, that's fine, it shouldn't. So why am I wasting your time telling you about this book? Well, I'm glad you asked. This is a book written by a True Christian. HUH? For all of you who have discussed with me in the past, you understand what I'm talking about and for those of you who haven't you can research my blogs. Caposkia is my name.
Anyway, It's written from the viewpoint of how a true Christian feels about of course the atheists in the world today, but more importantly for you, how she feels about Christians in the world.
This is for all of you arguing with me about how Christians have to be black and white. How you have to follow a religion and there's nothing outside of religion etc. She touches on all of this. I truly think you'll enjoy reading this book and I would like to hear from those of you who have read it if anyone. If not, I"ll wait till someone finishes it. It's not a very long book.
When I first came onto this site, I wanted to discuss directly with those who were involved in the infamous television debate that RRS was involved in about the existence of God with Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. They didn't have time and the other non-believers I came across were too opinionated to involve themselves in a conversation that made any progress. Instead I got into other debates which for the most part were a lot of fun, but I digress.
Becky mentions this debate as well in her book at the end. This is for all of you on here I've talked to who would not believe me or had other personal issues with the fact that my opinion didn't flow with their idea of a Christian. I will breifly say that I hold her viewpoint when she says that if she was at that debate, she would have "crawled out of that church in shame. "
Simply put, we both agree that both sides put forth deplorable excuses for their side and did not defend their side succesfully. I know I know, many of you will disagree and say that RRS did disprove the existance of God in that debate, but enough with the opinions, I'm saying the other side did just as good of a job proving God. This debate is a poor excuse to not follow Christ and this book talks about those types of Christians.
This book should clarify many misunderstandings of how True Christians are and I hope bring light to a new understanding of our following.
It is written differently than most books, but is an informational peice and uses a lot of researched information. It does focus on the "New Atheists" and is not a book preaching to the masses. As said, it is from the point of view of a True Christian.
enjoy, let me know your thoughts. I would also request, please be respectful in your responses. I'm here to have mature discussions with people.
I checked out a bit of that PTM site, and glad it's not much fundy oriented. Having mentors can often be good, importand and helpful, but having an idol as is taught in most religion is obviously wrong.
Whether Buddha of Jesus even existed historically is not relevant to me.
We are the Christ, the Buddha etc. Knowing why is to awaken to understading the meaning of "the good word". In the east it is more about who is your favorite "mentor". In the west it's so much like, my mentor or fuck you. I find wise and silly, in all religious philosophies and groups. Heck, the "Twilight Zone" can be profound too.
I am an atheist materialist to the bone, but I am also a jesus, buddha, taoist, confucius, hindu, mythology fan. But FUCK dogma by any design .... i am god as you are god, as all is god, period. Fuck all supernatural separatism. Whatever the fuck there is, is ME and YOU. What is not connected? Why invent or believe myth?
This RRS thread, gets interesting like pg 8 and going back , where I wrote a lot that might entertain you. See you there maybe, me jesus, as you. Bring beer!
"Question for our Christian visitors"
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I checked out that link. I was entertained for sure and it was a good idea to grab a beer while I checked it out.
I have to say I agree with your M. Twain quote. if Jesus came into our world today, he in fact would not be Christian mainly because of the quote that followed, "I like your Christ, I don't like Christians. They don't seem anything like Christ" yes that was paraphrased, but that was the jist.
I think that's the point, cap. The "spiritual world" can't be studied because it is a figment of the imagination. If you want to use fiction to study imagination (the Bible to study the spiritual world), go for it.
right, but my point is that to even come up with the conclusion that it is a figment of my imagination, you'd have to have some source for research that can conclude that, otherwise, it's mere speculation.
This constant statement made by you that we should come up with the methods for determining the truth about your beliefs is absurd. You are the one with the positive claim it is your job to present the evidence. If you don't have a method that can be tested all you have is blind idiotic assertions.
The spiritual world should be treated as nonsense until you proved evidence that it exists.
What don't you understand about this?
What I don't understand is I have presented to you methods that helped me conclude my understanding. I don't remember where, but I listed some off in this forum. My question isn't whether you have a method that will be effective, it's whether there's a method that you will accept if I present it to you.
I've learned with my time on this site not to waste my time explaining myself until I can get a clear basis of understanding that we can all agree on.
The only method I would accept is the scientific method.
Could it also be something like:
1. Person feels depressed.
There are depressed Christiansjcgadfly wrote:
2. Person reads Bible.
You're telling me all people have to do on this site is read the Bible and they'll believe???jcgadfly wrote:
3. Person prays the Lord's prayer (just an example).
sure, okjcgadfly wrote:
4. Person feels emotional release.
sex can do that toojcgadfly wrote:
4. Person tells story to Christian.
Only to Christians?jcgadfly wrote:
5. Christian tells person "You got saved".
and VOILA! another one in the fold because God gives them warm fuzzies.
saved from what? (hypothetical question asked by most people who don't know what that would mean)
There are depressed Christians - glad you acknowledge that. Many Christian folk I know would say that those aren't "true christians".
Did they read the Bible and simply believe? How would I know? That's your position, not mine. You're the one that said millions found god with no outside person influencing them.
Sex does give emotional release. You're the one that brought up finding god - I simply suggested that "the peace of God" that many Christians make noise about is nothing more than catharsis,
Only to christians? Christianity is the only religion that I know of that claims a sin-forgiving god.
Okay, perhaps the Christian used "Jesus saved you from your sins". Doesn't change the problem of confusing warm fuzzies with God.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin