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hi, my name is Enrique Puentes and i am sure that i am one of many people responding to this website

i just finished getting some sort of overview of what this movement is about and had a couple of questions for you

thank you for taking the time to read this becuase i am sure you recieve many emails a day

i attend a Chrisitan university in florida and i have been learning a lot about God-sure you can say that i recieve bias education that simply supports the existence of God and of Christ and that the Bible is the inspired Word of God but i have heard also many arguments against God and have also heard many responses to those arugments

my first question is where are you basing your information from that God doesnt exist? it sounded like from your trailer from "The God Who Wasn't There" has some sort of historical foundation which is very impressive-but sometimes we can recieve information that isnt necessarily the most accurate. i am not saying that your historical analysis is inaccurate but im questioning your source of information.

my second question is do you understand the context of the of mark 3:29? there is so much of what Jesus said in Biblical times/1st century that can be lost in translation becuase their culture and our culture is very different. for example, if i were to say: "i love my sister." now a days we understand that as i love my sibling in a loving way. maybe if that statment was written in the Bible we might percieve it as incest. Does this make sense? You have to look at what Jesus is really intending to say-not just a direct, literal translation or understanding. Even look at Mark 3:28 the verse before it. It says "I tell you the truth, all the sins and blaspemies of men will be forgiven them." and that is before Jesus says that blasphemy is the one unpardonable sin. this seems like a contradiction right? i mean one verse says that ALL sin AND BLASPHEMY is forgiven, and right in the next verse it says that blasphemy isn't. So what is Jesus saying? If you look at a translation of the Bible called The Message for a quick example it states in that passage that the continual denying act of God is the unforgiveable. But the truth is that God forgives all sin-if He didnt, then his death on the cross is in vain. i hope this makes a little more sense

something else i wanted to add was that after viewing many videos from people participating in this have said after extensive research they have found that its more logical and intelligent for God to not exist. but actually i have learned lately that there is too much proof that supports the Bible, God, and the Holy Spirit exists. and this proof is even outisde the Bible. i hope you know that there are Chrisitans out there who arent simply unaware of the possiblity of God being one being lie. however these true Christians have discovered a God that does exist and have proof of it.

 

IN MY OPINION i feel that at some point anyone in their faith can doubt the existence of God-which is actually very common. but does doubting God equate to God's non-existence?

when i heard about this at first i got very angry. i thought-who are these people to do such a thing. but now i am thinking-"Wow, these people who state that they blasphemy the Holy Spirit and God really don't know about his existence." And that is truly sad for me to see. Let's say that what if there is a God-then you are never giving the chance and opportunity to discover him. what then? if you are right then the best outcome is that you were correct in all that you said and your point is proven-and when we die on earth...we die. but if God DOES exist the best thing for a Christian-a true Christian-is that their life is spared and they have found pure and true love for eternity. the worst thing that can happen for a Christian is that they were wrong and they simply just die after life on earth. i guess if you weigh the options the loss is greater on your end-what if you are right, okay point proven. but what if you are wrong? what then? do you really understand what hell is? its not just a firey place. its so much more worse than that-and i dont just say that to scare you to believe or force you to believe-but i say this in love becuase I DO NOT I DO NOT I DO NOT WANT TO SEE YOU END UP IN THAT PLACE. your life should be worth more than that

my challenge to you as you have posed a challenge for many-is to find the truth from CREDIBLE SOURCES not just pastors who speak nonsense like "God hates fags"-they truly have no idea on what they stand or believe in. PLEASE, PLEASE, I urge you to seek out people who know more information that ignorant sources.

 

i hope this helps you find truth

and if you have any questions please feel free to email me

LOVE IN CHRIST,

Enrique Puentes


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Enrique Puentes wrote:my

Enrique Puentes wrote:

my first question is where are you basing your information from that God doesnt exist?

Where are you basing your information from that Santa Claus, Thor, Apollo and Allah don't exist? Same Place.

 

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 his death on the cross is in vain

 

Even if the bible is true, Jesus did not die. Death means a permanent end to life. All he did according to the bible was spend a weekend in a tomb.

Can you tell us then how we can know we will be in Hell forever? Frankly, I don't want to spend eternity with a god that tortures people, commits infanticide and genocide. Nor do I want to be around all the divine ass kissers that only 'love' God to avoid being tortured by him.

 

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these true Christians have discovered a God that does exist and have proof of it

 

Their "proof" is always just their personal experience which can be easily explained as delusion.

 

Enrique Puentes wrote:

Let's say that what if there is a God-then you are never giving the chance and opportunity to discover him. what then? if you are right then the best outcome is that you were correct in all that you said and your point is proven-and when we die on earth...we die. but if God DOES exist the best thing for a Christian-a true Christian-is that their life is spared and they have found pure and true love for eternity.

 

I'd suggest you research Pascal's wager. This always is brought out by the theists, thinking that believing is like some sort of casino bet you can make. You either believe something or you don't. Don't you think your all knowing God would know that we don't believe or love him, we would only be pretending to believe to prevent him from torturing us. How do you know Allah is not going to torture you if you don't 'believe' in him?

 It's a belief in a belief not a belief. But this is how most Christians "believe". Completely phony. If this is your reason for believing then even you don't really believe.

 

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i hope this helps you find truth

 

 

No. Unfortunately it's pretty much the same Christian argument. Force yourself to "believe" to get heaven instead of hell, what have you got to loose by "believing". To many of us you, you've pretty much been brainwashed with fear. The christian churches/schools turn out robots that all think alike, and never think through why they believe. Being in this Christian environment, you never learn to think for yourself. So we just hear the same arguments repeatedly, ad nauseum.

 

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Good eve, I hope you are well.

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Enrique sent a message:

hi, my name is Enrique Puentes and i am sure that i am one of many people responding to this website

Indeed?  And how did you arrive at this surety?  Serious, I am just a small dog that is relatively new here and I can note some facts.  Is this how you came to your surety?

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my first question is where are you basing your information from that God doesnt exist?

Excuse me... are you saying a god exists?  This is extraordinary!  What's it's name and where is it? 

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my second question is do you understand the context of the of mark 3:29?

Sure.  It's in the context of God's Holy And Revealed Perfect Word.  Ain't it?

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there is so much of what Jesus said in Biblical times/1st century that can be lost in translation becuase their culture and our culture is very different.

Blasphemer!  You are saying that the Bible, God's Revealed Word, is an unreliable source.  You are saying that the work of revealing, the work of the Holy Spirit, has not lived up to divine standards... I.e. You are stating that the Holy Ghost has been remiss in relaying God's Revealed Word.

Sounds like blaspheming Casper to me.

Serious... Translation, Version, Culture Context is all wonderful and useful tools ... except when dealing with God's Unchanging Word... which HE undoubtably wrote in KJV English.

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Even look at Mark 3:28 the verse before it. It says "I tell you the truth, all the sins and blaspemies of men will be forgiven them." and that is before Jesus says that blasphemy is the one unpardonable sin.

NO HE DID NOT SAY THAT!  You Liar!  You are trying to deceive!  Get thee behind us Snoopy!

He said that blasphemy is forgiveable unless it is blasphemy ungainst Casper the Wholly (i.e all) Ghost!

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If you look at a translation of the Bible called The Message

Yet another translation?  Is this the right one?  Is this God's Word?

Imho, btw, before you cite the existence of so much proof for this and that, you might consider getting the stuff you detail right first, eh?

Serious. 

And good grief if  you got some proof of anything it would be such a welcome change from normal Believer offerings that I suspect humans would dance and cheer.

 

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IN MY OPINION ...

At this point, is there a particular reason you feel your opinion should be accepted without a lot of backup?  Noting, btw, that you don't even cite the source except with a number or two.  No Bible in there.

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my challenge to you as you have posed a challenge for many-is to find the truth from CREDIBLE SOURCES not just pastors who speak nonsense like "God hates fags"-they truly have no idea on what they stand or believe in. PLEASE, PLEASE, I urge you to seek out people who know more information that ignorant sources.

Challenge is easy.  I.e. challenge is impossible.  There are no humans of Belief, humans of faith, that offer actual evidence and are thus credible.

I.e. they continue to Believe in stuff not seen and simply hoped for.

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LOVE IN CHRIST,

Enrique Puentes

BTW... If you read the Book you might note that Jesus Christ that guy is not a nice guy!

tq


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Subject: [General Question] Blasphemy

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Well lets get past selfish rebelious arrogance. I would like to give my interpretation of "blaspemy of the Holy Spirit". There is two accurate meanings (1) To deny the work of the Holy Spirit, the ones in the Bible not only denyed His works but accredited them to Satan. (2) Any one that denys Jesus as Lord and Savior has denyed the works of the Holy Spirit. If this state of denial continues unto death, this person has been condemned by his own actions. In this case there is no forgiveness. God urged by the Holy Spirit but was rejected. The person chose eternal seperation from God.  God offers the free gift. We can take it if we choose by our God given free will. It is up to each one of us. I know God personaly. He has reveiled Himself to me in many ways, including verbaly speaking to me. By His grace through the Holy Spirit and His Word, I knew His voice. It was not Satan. I have been born-again, The Holy Spirit lives in me. I know God. I pray that I will see you in Heaven. The absolutes of the Bible are.   - In truth and love, Mark A. White

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Another guy who thinks he

Another guy who thinks he can break the blasphemy challenge...

For those that don't think the Blasphemy Challenge is legit and it means nothing, I dare you to say "I deny the Holy Spirit" in this thread.

 

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Subject: [Defend my God!] Your blaspheming...

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I know it says you posted a video response to this, but it was deleted. So
I'll just say it: you don't even know what blaspheming is. The sin against
the Holy Spirit isn't denying he exists; it's attributing his work to the
devil that lands you in Hell, if you take that out of context. Jesus was
talking to the Pharisees, not the crowd that was gathered watching him cure
the demoniac. He was trying to send a message to the Pharisees. Regardless
of context even, to attribute something to the devil, you must believe in
him. However, as an atheist, you don't believe in anything like God or the
devil, so you can't blaspheme against the Holy Spirit unless you do so as a
Christian Fundamentalist.

On a slightly more broad note, don't lump all religion into one pile. Not
all Christians are Fundies. Some of us are universalist in our thinking,
meaning that everyone will get to Heaven eventually, and that Hell isn't
forever. In my eyes, as long as you're a good person, God (given my belief
that He does exist) will forgive you.

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Teddy wrote:I know it says

Teddy wrote:
I know it says you posted a video response to this, but it was deleted. So I'll just say it: you don't even know what blaspheming is. The sin against the Holy Spirit isn't denying he exists; it's attributing his work to the devil that lands you in Hell
Okies: Everything anyone thinks the Holy Spirit ever did was really the work of the Devil!

Can I go to hell now?

Teddy wrote:
On a slightly more broad note, don't lump all religion into one pile. Not all Christians are Fundies. Some of us are universalist in our thinking, meaning that everyone will get to Heaven eventually, and that Hell isn't forever. In my eyes, as long as you're a good person, God (given my belief that He does exist) will forgive you.
Well, the problem is really that you all believe in something that does not exist, radical and moderate alike, fundy and universalist.

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God is not a he , and christ is we .... All religion is idol worship and wrong .... NO MASTER .... as all is ONE , 100 % god, so NO to the "god of abe". You are god as I.

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