The Truth About Hell [YOU RESPOND]

From: jmcjr06@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:37 PM
Subject: [Defend my God!] The Truth About HELL
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For hundreds of years the Christian church has been teaching a false
doctrine that that hell burns forever. Hell is one of the topic that is
most misunderstood by the entire Christian community. But I don’t say it
because what my denomination believes but what the Bible says. The Bible
says Hell doesn’t burn forever. The problem is people look at the Bible
like something you just read, look at one verse then BAM! That is what God
does. No, if you are going to study a topic, if we are going to see what
God means, one must look at what the Bible says in its entirety. As matter
of fact the Bible say to look at God’s word “line upon line precept
upon precept” Isaiah 28:13. If you want to study about Hell fire, eternal
fire etc. you have to study everything the Bible say about hell before
making any accusations. To help with what I said let me give just a few
examples. A big reason why Christians say that hell burns forever because
of many verses but the most compelling is this one. Revelation 20:10 “
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be
tormented day and night forever and ever”. In a nutshell the term
forever, according to the Bible, is a relative term. When the wicked are
destroyed the result of the fire destroying them will be forever or there
non-existence will last forever. Now, how can i prove that. A place in the
Bible where eternal fire is used is in book of Jude describing Sodom and
Gomorrah. Jude 1:7 “ Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about
them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after
strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of
eternal fire”. If read the Sodom and Gomorrah story they said that they
were destroyed with fire and brimstone. Is Sodom and Gomorrah burning
today? of course not. But in 2 Peter 2:6 it says they were ashes, “And
turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an
overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live
ungodly;” You have heard that only the righteous get eternal life, but if
people are alive in hell forever and ever. Then do the wicked have eternal
life? Yes, It just as “nice” as the righteous eternal. No the Bible
said they will be no more. The purpose of hell is to get rid of the evil in
this world. This was just really quick, very small proof that fire
doesn’t burn forever. There are many more scriptures. I know many
atheists get angry because they think God is tyrant that burns people
forever. I challenge you to think, is that rational? Someone who burns
people forever for something that they only did for a couple of years. Many
atheists are turned off by Christianity not because they know the truth but
because most of them here the many popular Christian concepts that are not
Biblical. Which is sad because its in the church. Think like you believe in
God for a quick second, in Christianity there are going to be a type of
Christianity that is true and a Christianity that is false that is not
Biblical. A quick example why do Christians follow Sunday as the Sabbath
when the 4th commandment say the seventh-day which is Sabbath. (My church
follows the Saturday like the Bible says) They just think there Biblical
because they read one verse and boom! they are Biblical. Many things
atheist say I agree with and I side with you with, me a Christian. But my
friend we need to study and see what the Bible really says than if you
don’t believe than that’s your belief. But you can’t base you
disbelief about God when they are not true. Test them against the Bible,
not just reading the Bible but studying the Bible. There atheist that hate
God because they don’t know the truth about what he really says. I ask
you to please listen to this, it is a sermon by Pastor David Asscherick
speaking the whole truth about the truth about hell. I ask to base your
defense against the Christian faith on this by Biblical truth.
PLEASE LISTEN: THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT HELL, it will clear!
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Please when you read this and listen to the sermon, please right me back
PS. Its sad you have a hate mail section. Any Christians who writes hate
mail is a hypocrite. You guys don't deserve that. I apologize on there
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Naturally Hell doesn't burn forever since there is no hell. For hell to exist it would have to be physical since the chemical properties of combustion require matter in order to release energy as heat. For our "souls" to experience pain in this fire our souls would have to have a working nervous system, hence our need to be alive since the very element of our being dead is having a non-working nervous system.
To date no apologist has ever given us a location of hell.
Is hell a closed system or an open one? Given us a location will answer that. If it is a closed system then it falls prey to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and, without a constant fuel source, will eventually burn out. An open system would have to be quite sizable in order to be burning for eternity therefore it should be quite visible. Since it isn't visible it's safe to say that there is no hell since it either burnt out, or is just too small to bother with.
So, as an Atheist, I don't worry about hell. Not because of some notion that it is a temporary eternal hell, but simply because it's existence is quite impossible.
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The problem I have with hell is how it's used as a model for punishment in many judicial systems. Jails are often modeled to be like a hell, a place you can't escape from and filled with other "sinners". I guess the stories of the horrible things that happen to people in prison is supposed to be a deterrent, but crime has not stopped. In the United States, we boast the highest percentage of prisoners compared to our population.
Hell just doesn't work. It's a broken concept. An incessant fire is a perpetual motion machine. Its implementation on earth doesn't work either. So I say it's time to find a better alternative. NO MORE HELL!
Science does not replace god. It simply demonstrates that gods are not required.
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This message comes from a graduate of the Univerisity of Oklahoma Chemical Engineering Department via an acquaintance of mine who sends out a "Daily Silly" to a large group of people. It cites one of Dr.Schlambaugh's final test questions for his final exam for 1997. [Note: Dr. Schlambaugh is known for asking questions on his finals like:"Why do airplanes fly?"] This was an "actual question" given on a University of Washington chemistry midterm.
Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? Support your answer with proof.
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So, we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for temperature and the pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until All Hell breaks loose.
2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Therese Banyan during my Freshman year, that "It will be a cold night in Hell before I sleep with you", and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in that area, then (2) cannot be true, and so Hell is exothermic.
This student got the only A.
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if there is no God, why do atheist want disprove something that they don't
even believe in? If you don't believe in God whats the fuss?
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The fuss, George of the Cross, is while we don't believe, we are treated with scorn and threatened by people who claim to love Jesus. i.e. the fuss is all most of us want to do is live our lives and theists don't let us do that without us almost constantly having to look over our shoulders and in our food lest some "well meaning" nut deprive us of our right to live.
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A couple weeks ago I sent an email talking about the truth about hell.
Nobody has given me a response to the truth about hell. If you look at the
Bible in its WHOLE(not just one or two first verses) you will see that Hell
doesn't burn forever like many atheist protest against. The reason why
people are atheist they have the wrong concepts and the wrong theology, and
also base the actions of so called “Christians” and attack the truth of
the Christian faith that’s found in the Bible. Just like Christians many
Atheist instead of studying the Bible for themselves, they go by what
priests and other people say about God instead of looking in the Bible
themselves. Anybody can say anything but what the Bible says stands, and if
one is going to attack the faith then they need to attack the source of
truth for the faith the Bible and what it really say. Also not just reading
the Bible but STUDYING what the Bible says, especially like the topic on
hell. I think the things is with most Atheism is that many people are tired
of the nominal Christianity. I’m a Christian and frankly I agree about
many things you say about Christianity. I think we are gravely mistaken in
many things and we are hypocrites. But please keep in mind there are good
Christians who are sincere and want to do good. If a Christian has done
something wrong then they go against God’s word, which is Christianity.
The Bible said not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” will be saved, look
in the Bible Jesus rebukes fakes followers. Many atheist are tired of this
nominal "Christianity" at times can be fake and especially the followers
can be fake. There are many false doctrine that the Bible (as a whole)
doesn't teach like: Secret Rapture, Sunday worship (fourth
commandment),prosperity sermons which scam people out there money, using
scare tactics to get people to hell. These doctrines are not Biblical and
what sad is people take other people words for it then look in the Bible as
its whole. There have been many causality and many other tragedy that the
church has done but the have gone away from the true word of God. For
examples the Catholics Church in the Middle Ages didn’t even use the
Bible. If you were caught with one you were killed they used the name
“God” and “Jesus” and use false doctrine like purgatory, hell burn
forever, penance, indulgence all these things they use to scam poor God
loving people. The Catholic Churched millions and millions of people were
slaughtered and tortured, you know who they were Christians who followed
the Bible. The Bible speaks about the Catholic Church and how it would do
that, that’s Bible Prophecy . But I put this on my mortal life that no
atheist can present no case against TRUE Christianity. One might ask what
is true Christianity well its what the Bible says and of course following
it. If any body has anything comments let me know. Also response on hell
doesn’t burn forever. Fake Christianity is tragedy true Christianity is
a refuge.
God Bless
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Please use paragraphs. I find it difficult to rummage through a verbal trash heap.
As for hell, I agree to an extent. My parents raised me as a fundamentalist thinking Hell would burn forever many people who remained conscious forever. As I matured, I studied the Bible, especially the doctrine of Hell. I contemplating the meaning of sheol, hades, gehenna, and tartarus, which translators often translate as Hell. I spent months tracing how many times the various biblical authors used those terms and how they used them. Eventually, I concluded that the fundamentalist, so-called literalist view was false. I still haven't decided on an exact interpretation yet. Does the fire incinerate the people, rendering them eternally unconscious? Or, does the fire purify them so they can enter heaven too? Both views seem to have support. The story of Sodom illustrates a support for the cessation of consciousness view. The numerous references to saving not some or not most but everyone supports the purification view. I think the texts might hint at the existence of two opposing schools of thought on the subject, just as there was two opposing schools of thought in ancient Judaism about the existence or nonexistence of an afterlife at all, though I haven't gotten around to doing further research on it.
Anyway, I ultimately left Christianity and looked into several forms of theism, ranging from the mystical theosophy to the practical deism. I considered myself a deist for a few weeks, which was how long it took for me to recognize that my acceptance of it was based on emotional credulity rather than rational justification. Hence, I abandoned all forms of theism.
My reasons for leaving Christianity had nothing to do with the fear of Hell. Even the liberal conceptions of Christianity did not work, because there is no rational justification for accepting it. Deism? No justification for that either. I see neither as a refuge of anything, except rational thought. I still use arguments against theists on the basis of such a horrible place. Why? Because it's a logical form of argument: if X, then Y. I use it to poke holes in people's worldviews to make them more skeptical about what they had adopted and what they might adopt in the future.
What justification (emotions and faith do not constitute justification) do you have for accepting the existence of a hell in any sense? If you cannot answer that question, I invite you to consider why you cannot.
[ Sodom and Homosexuality | The Classic Ontological Argument ]
Rather a strawman. That is not the particular note. Rather it is the promise that beings will be tortured forever.
Infinite, even. Even if it is the ultimate bad guy. That is, even torturing The Devil forever, is abhorrent. There is no crime a finite being can perpetrate that deserves, by any rational concept of justice, infinite punishment.
This certainly includes a created being, created (supposedly) by a perfect being with total an perfect knowledge, who could somehow behave as an imperfect creation (i.e. created by an imperfect god) and rebell.
I.e. it ain't Satan who's the SOB here, it's Satan's Creator.
And it doesn't matter if unjust punishment, e.g. punishment because of what Adam did, lasts a minute or a year or eternity, i inflicted on non involved parties is short or long, it's still unjust.
Bible God promises punishment (and delivers) to innocent parties. Bible God is not justifiable.
Serious, OT and especially NT, Bible-God (aka Jesus) is a really nasty son of a virgin. (SOV)
Noting that the punishment if Hell is ephemeral, is even less God stuff (If God is not a petty juvenile).
Punish and then annihilate? And the point was?
And noting that the Book has contradictory stuff here... both inter and intra version. I.e. Bible as evidence can only work against posits of nice guy god, or just god, or anything but an asshole god.
BTW... I do not hate your God. I think His followers are somewhat pathetic, but I figure His rep hangs on who he hangs with.
And serioius. Short hell or long, eternal or annihilation, it has nothing to do with Justice.
Condemning in the absence of a crime, redeeming the guilty by slaying innocent,
It's all rather abhorrent.
tq
Ahhh... And should we then crucify you in order to insure the forgiveness of those Christian Hatemailers?
Serioius, you appear to be innocent of Sin here. Sacricing a human innocent of sin in order to gain justification for the sinful seems to be a Christian thing.
tq again
I've an announcement to make. Hell is real and its located in California. It's real name is Bakersfield and churches are to be found on damned near every street corner. Ok, that's an exaggeration, they're on every other street corner. In dog we trust in the schools, a fundy on the school board another one in charge of the County Elections Office. Rednecks in abundance. Yeah, it's hell alright.
"Erecting the 'wall of separation between church and state,' therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society." Thomas Jefferson
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Congrats on your discovery regarding hell
There could be any number of reasons why nobody has responded so please be patient.
Does hell burn at all ? Oh, sorry.... I see you stated that hell doesn't burn forever. I will take that to mean that it does burn for some period of time. I have looked at the bible as a whole and cannot find evidence telling me clearly when hell will discontinue it's combustion. Could you please provide me with the details?
I am an Atheist but I have found my concepts to be rational and veracious.
Atheism and theology combined ??? Huh ??????
I've read the bible. I've read it in it's entirety. I've read it in several different versions. I've read it while eating, standing, sitting, shitting and running on a treadmill. I've read it on a boat. I've read it on a plane. But without good evidence, it's still insane.
You should try Dr. Seuss. He's way cooler than jeez-oose.
Oh, and I don't listen to priests, ministers, reverends, pastors, bishops or the pope. However, there is a sweet cardinal that sings outside my window from time to time. Does that count?
Thanks for reminding us that the 1st amendment is still in effect.
(That's amendment, not commandment)
Which version of the bible is the correct one? Once all Atheists have studied, will they agree completely with your position ? By "nominal christianity", are you saying all Atheists (who are people,btw) have a significantly small amount of christianity within themselves? Your sentences are difficult to decipher. Try less encryption.
Great, so march on over here to the A-team. Come on in for the big win.
Nooooo, reeaaallly. What possesses you to say that? (Sorry, forgive me and my silly question)
He-he... new definition of christianity = going against god's word.
Sorry only have enough time for a last one...
I know you are probably trying real hard to use your language skills to the fullest extent but have someone assist you or proof read at the very least, please.
There is a verse where Jesus says the torment will not end. The inconsistencies in the nature of hell just demonstrate that the bible is not the word of any god. It just stories made up by men. Some thought hell would be eternal torment others just a burning destruction. In any case it's torture.
Stop global whining.
Mr Cruz-
I have always thought of the mention of hell or types of 'hell' in religious text as an extension of early mans attempt to explain the reverence they had for volcanoes. (think of primitives throwing in sacrifices etc)
What are your thoughts on this?
"Inaction breeds doubt and fear. Action breeds confidence and courage.
If you want to conquer fear, do not sit home and think about it.
Go out and get busy."
~ Dale Carnegie, Author
I've visited Bakersfield once, and I agree that it is hell... or at least the front yard of hell.
Didnt they also rename one of their streets after that band Korn?
Yeah, I live about an hour north of Bakersfield and they did name a street after Korn (Korn Row). It's just an access street to Rabobank Arena. Seems they were victims of a frog plague this summer too...... how fitting for hell.
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Before i say anything let me get one thing clear. As you know i'm a Christian that is my conviction, my faith, my belief. Anyone who claims to be a Protestant Christian follows what the Bible says. I am 100% Bible follower, i want to make clear i'm defending the topic on hell on what the complete Bible says, not how if it is physically or scientifically possible. I believe God can manipulate science because he created the science (Genises 1:1). There is no location to hell because it is not burning yet, in light of the Bible. Hell burning deep in the bowels of the Earth, and people are suffereing right now, is A LIE! Hell doesn't exist, yet. This myth is not biblical and a lie that the Catholic Church has had since the Dark Ages. I'm not attacking Catholics but as a side thing if i didn't know Biblical truth, and true Christianity, if we took a look at history and the crimes of the Church i would be a profess athiest as well believe me. I't seems to me that you don't believe in "souls", well than do you believe in a "mind". Something that i always thought to myself the "mind" is the athiest way of saying "soul". I quick thing on the whole soul thing basically Biblically a soul is what makes a person, who that person is and basically everything attribute of the person that is not physical. For example deep satification in a persons "heart". There are somethings that a human needs that physical and material things can't give. We can use love as a example love is not tangeable nor physical, so why people put so much value to it, love is the first step to understand Christianity. Desire is another thing . But to explain the whole the soul burning thing is another myth. The way this myth was thought up of is pagan(Greek) look at the the human soul, this is a view that many other people believe, it's the belief of humans having an imortal soul. Because people belive that the soul can never die, when it is placed in "hell" all the soul can do is just sit an burn forever. I absouletey agree with that point you said that hell will burnout, that is 100% biblical.(Malachi 4:3). Explaining when hell will happened can be very complicated becuase you have to study alot of things in the Bible to get the topic of hell when it burns. if you are curious and want to know more. Listen to this sermon: <http://www.yourvideos.net/hopevideo/David_Asscherick/discover/18-The_Good_News_About_Hell.mp3>
The gist of it is the reason why there is a hell. To get rid of the evil and wrong doing that plagues this world. God doesn't want to people in Hell, the Bible calls it his "strange act" Isaiah 28:21. It makes no sense how people can believe in, and i guess this is where Christians look irrational and un logical, that someone would punish somebody for eternity for something they did for only 60 to 70 years of life. That makes no sense and that where alot of Christians are wrong. As for the scientific look on hell, if God is who he claims, all knowing and powerful, he is then he can bend his created science to do his will. It wouldn't be a matter of science it would be a matter of his power.
I pray that you do see him and find him God Bless.
-Jorge Cruz
Well before i go on i just have to say that i'm a 100% Bible following Christian. If athiest are going to challenge God, or his claims, then they have to speak against about the things that are in the Bible. If an athiest is talking agianst something that is not Biblical than your not really speaking against God your just talking agianst ideas people make up, then if thats the case this Christian is with you. If athiest want to challenge Christianity, God, and things things in the Bible they need to know what the Bible says. Bible doesn't teach hell is forever or even a judicail punishment. The purpose of hell basically to get a rid of evil, wrong doing and people who stick to it. Who rather do wrong than right. In light of the Bible Hell is the grave. To make it as simple as possible Hell is a place where the existent becomes non-existent. Hell is not punish nobody is basically just to get rid of. The reason why God uses fire it is this. For example, a piece of paper that is "evil". I want to get rid of this "evil paper". If i bury it, it still exist and there is a chance someone can just dig it up again. I put it deep in the ocean it still exist and someone can go down and get it. But if i burn the paper the evil is gone. Some people say well why not just take the evil out of the paper. Well to bring it back to us people, you can only take out the evil if that is your decision. And if you decide you want to get rid of this evil we can't do it on our own we got to God to take it out, thats is the whole point of Christianity. You probably don't like the term "sin" or "sinner". A sinner is basically someone who does wrong. We all do wrong no matter who we are, and almost 100% of the time we do wrong because of selfishness, we do wrong to please our desires and pleasure. The reason why this world is so terrible because everybody is wronging each others and themselves. A Christian principle is love another, treat others like you would like to be treated. I ask you to imagine a world like that where, every body looked out for the other person instead of ourselves. Even with disaters and death this world would be a utopia. Basically thats the human problem we just want to do wrong because we want to please ourselves, think about. Wrong is all around it but most people don't care, most people are not concern about that ,people don't care this world goes to hell in a hand basket as long as they get to live there life. God wants to get rid of it, he want to make this world a utopia, so he has to basically wants take out the trash. Hell is not a prison it is a remover. But Christians see the wrong the in the world and in themselves so they believe and ask God to get rid of it. God can offer that to you, but its only your decsison. The only to see if there is a God is to search for him with all ones heart. But if one doesn't even try than of course one can't see if there shutting his/her eyes and covering there ears. I wonder how science came to be in the first place, is there something before science?
I hope you find him.
God Bless
-Jorge Cruz <email: >
... is that it doesn't exist.
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This is what passes for reason and clear thinking, concise argumentation and well-spelled out propositions to a theological mind? I mean, the very least they could do is put paragraphs, but they can't even manage that. Nor can they manage things like good spelling, good grammar, proper syntax, capitalization, logical structure and argumentative format.
Look people, we may be on the internet, but that is no excuse for this written excrement. As long as you ( Jorge Cruz) continue to write in such a careless, sloppy, idiotic manner, you will be considered just as your writing indicates: Careless, sloppy and idiotic. If you can't be prepared to do something so basic as write properly, then people will look at you and rightly conclude that you are a waste of time. Nobody could possibly be expected to decipher such mangled prose. You can't possibly expect people to respond unless you write decently. The fact that people have responded indicates we are cutting you too much slack.
Scientia potentia est
First of all I really appreciate you replying back to this. You definitely know what you are talking about. I really like how you said you studied and look for yourself. To be honest that's how i am, i don't believe nothing people tell me unless i see it in the Bible and is logical. I give you props on that because sometimes when i'm discussing and reasoning with people it frustrating that how they want to argue something they know nothing or little about. It's not smart if you talk about something you do not know about. I believe God gave us a brain and i must admit there times where most Christians don't use it. I take my Christian beliefs very seriously and my faith is a intelligent faith, i leave nothing to blind faith, because that is weak faith.
I'm very familiar with the Sodom and Gomorrah texts. Just a quick look at it in Jude 1:7 it says that they suffered eternal fire, is Sodom burning today? of course not, also because it says in 2 Peter 2:6 it says that they were condemn to ashes. What basically we have to figure out is what the Bible say in light of eternal fire, which the Sodom is used to show that fire in the bible doesn't mean eternal because they Bible says they were put to ashes. If you are still interested in knowing the truth i persuade you to listen to this sermon about hell: <http://www.yourvideos.net/hopevideo/David_Asscherick/discover/18-The_Good_News_About_Hell.mp3>. Also before you make a 100% complete decision about there is no God you should listen to this sermon from the same preacher, his name is Davis Asscherick and he give very deep intellectual sermons: <http://www.audioverse.org/displayrecording/31/DavidAsscherick-DoesGodExistDoesItMatter>
To answer your question about if there is an Justification of hell.
The purpose of hell basically to get a rid of evil, wrong doing and people who do it. Who rather do wrong than right. In light of the Bible Hell is the grave. To make it as simple as possible Hell is a place where the existent becomes non-existent. Hell is not punish nobody is basically just to get rid of. The reason why God uses fire is this. For example, a piece of paper that is "evil". I want to get rid of this "evil paper". If i bury it, it still exist and there is a chance someone can just dig it up again. I put it deep in the ocean it still exist and someone can go down and get it. But if i burn the paper the evil is gone. Some people say well why not just take the evil out of the paper. Well to bring it back to people, you can only take out the evil if that is your decision. And if you decide you want to get rid of this evil we can't do it on our own we got to God to take it out, that’s is the whole point of Christianity.
A sinner is basically someone who does wrong. We all do wrong no matter who we are, and almost 100% of the time we do wrong because of selfishness, we do wrong to please our desires and pleasure. The reason why this world is so terrible and screwed up because everybody is wronging each others and themselves. A Christian principle is love another, treat others like you would like to be treated. I ask you to imagine a world like that where, every body looked out for the other person instead of ourselves. Even with disasters and death this world would be a utopia. I put deep thought and thought about it logically it would be a perfect world and just with that one Christian principle. That why I believe Christianity works. Basically that’s the human problem we just want to do wrong because we want to please ourselves, think about. That’s basically what sin is all about. Wrong is all around us it but most people don't care, most people are not concern about that ,people don't care this world goes to hell in a hand basket as long as they get to live there life, and what we they want. God wants to get rid of the human problem, the human pain, he want to make this world a perfect utopia, so he has to basically wants take out the trash, he has to get rid of the cause of the problem. Hell is not a prison it is a remover. But Christians see the wrong the in the world and in themselves so they believe and ask God to get rid of it. God can offer that to you, but its only your decision.
If you have any other questions or want to discuss something please right back at jmcjr06@aol.com. Also get back to me if you hear those sermons, I would like to hear your response to them. Why doesn’t Christianity work what is the problem with it.
A sinner is basically someone who does wrong. We all do wrong no matter who
we are, and almost 100% of the time we do wrong because of selfishness, we do
wrong to please our desires and pleasure. The reason why this world is so
terrible because everybody is wronging each others and themselves. A Christian
principle is love another, treat others like you would like to be treated. I
ask you to imagine a world like that where, every body looked out for the other
person instead of ourselves. Even with disaters and death this world
would be a utopia. Basically thats the human problem we just want to do wrong
because we want to please ourselves, think about. Wrong is all around it but most
people don't care, most people are not concern about that ,people don't
care this world goes to hell in a hand basket as long as they get to live there
life. God wants to get rid of it, he want to make this world a utopia, so he
has to basically wants take out the trash. Hell is not a prison it is a
remover. But Christians see the wrong the in the world and in themselves so
they believe and ask God to get rid of it. God can offer that to you, but its
only your decsison. The only to see if there is a God is to search for him with
all ones heart. But if one doesn't even try than of course one can't see if
there shutting his/her eyes and covering there ears. I wonder how
science came to be in the first place, is there something before science?
not yet...
You base your claim on an erroneous translation. Bereshit in 1.1 has the form of a construct, not an absolute, so instead of "In the beginning, Elohim created", one would more appropriately translate it as "At the start of Elohim creating". Genesis be