Bush Impeachment... so what?

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Bush Impeachment... so what?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/07/impeach-bush-2.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,391121,00.html

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/kucinich-raises-bush-impeachment-at-hearing-2008-07-25.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/25/politics/politico/thecrypt/main4292489.shtml

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE21FOVAfMfEbAE5LDwiYm8fGh4QD92527P80

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"The decision before us is whether to demand accountability for one of the gravest injustices imaginable," Kucinich testified, avoiding use of the "I" word.

The House Democratic leadership, not interested in a bloody impeachment battle in the last year of Bush's presidency, steered Kucinich's resolutions to the Judiciary Committee where they could quietly fade away, but Friday's hearing did give Kucinich and his allies one opportunity to air their views.

 

I can't help but notice that in response to "the gravest injustices imaginable," the congress is merely 'air[ing] their views.'"  Funny, but I seem to remember a "bloody impeachment battle" over a blow job.

Yeah, I know it wasn't just over the blow job, but let's be realistic here.  Anyone who can't see that this is a grave and horrible injustice is beyond hope.  I have to be careful in this next statement, because freedom of speech isn't exactly one of the U.S. government's most sacredly held principles anymore.  It seems to me that if the world can sit by and allow the leader of a country to be hanged following a unilateral invasion of his country, it ought to take serious umbrage at charges related to that invasion being casually brushed aside out of political expediency.

 

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It just wouldn't be

It just wouldn't be practical is the only problem I have - by the time the proceedings would be over he'd be long gone anyway - there's less than 6 months left in the Bush regime.

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impeach!

Yeah, but it would show a strong signal that would benefit the entire planet!


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At the very least, it would

At the very least, it would be the best PR move the U.S. could make.  We could certainly stand to have a little good will from... well... anyone outside the states.

 

 

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Somehow I doubt there will

Somehow I doubt there will ever be much named after GWB like there have been over better presidents. Only exceptions I could think of:

Garbage or toxic waste dump

 

 

wow. That's it.

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MattShizzle wrote:Somehow I

MattShizzle wrote:

Somehow I doubt there will ever be much named after GWB like there have been over better presidents. Only exceptions I could think of:

Garbage or toxic waste dump

 

 

wow. That's it.

 

well, there was that sewage treatment center in San Fransisco, but that idea was dropped due to the fact sewage treatment is useful.

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Maybe a manure storage site?

Maybe a manure storage site? Or in terms of usefulness - maybe a factory that makes solar powered ultraviolet lamps?

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 if they impeach him now,

 if they impeach him now, he can be charged with crimes after his term expires.


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Including today he has 177

Including today he has 177 days left. Why bother.

[Satire on]

Congress has far better things to do, such as running for re-election.

Ignore the energy issues.

Ignore the problems in the economy.

Ignore their constituents.

Whoops - Go home to their district and show their constituents how they have benefited from their representing themselves,  err, I mean representing those that elected them to make a difference.

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Good news on the sewage

Good news on the sewage treatment plant, the proponents of the ordinance got enough signatures to qualify for the November ballot.  I know a lot of people up there and I bet it gets passed.

As to the issue of impeachment, Balrogoz, you're right but I doubt it will happen. Not enough people have the stomach to sit through 2-3 yrs of investigations and trial should it get that far.  Me; I'd be glued to the TV 24/7 until it was over and throw one hell of a party if he was ever convicted. With any luck at all, maybe ICC Prosecutor Ocampo will get the little bastard indicted for war crimes.  Hell, let's send him a copy of Bugliosi's new book:  “The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder”.

Another reason we need to impeach is his legacy.  He's not going to have one anyway, but the only sure way history will record this imbecilic administration accurately is through impeachment.  Even just the act of taking a vote for or against impeachment (we know the Dems wouldn't fight hard and the Repugs will do what they have to in order to prevent it) would make his presidency notable for starting the war and nearly getting impeached.  If there is no impeachment, history will be written by the politicians and the far right and the worst it will look is merely competent.

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War criminal

 Bush and Cenney are War criminals and should be charged with Murder,like Vincent Bugliosi writes about in his book "The Prosecution of GWB for Murder".   www.prosecutionofbush.com/ 

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Bulldog wrote:Another reason

Bulldog wrote:

Another reason we need to impeach is his legacy.  He's not going to have one anyway, but the only sure way history will record this imbecilic administration accurately is through impeachment.

Oh, I think he'll leave a legacy, all right:

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PATRIOT Act.

An impoverished and destroyed Iraq.

Executive privilege == unilateral Presidential power

"No child left behind" leaving all children behind equally

Secret laws

Torture

Domestic spying.

"War on Terror" as an excuse for anything and / or everything.

An impoverished and destroyed USA. (National debt is at an all-time high, and poverty is working its way up to the record, as well.)

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He's leaving a legacy behind, all right, and I doubt the next elected President will bother to set our government back on track. Why bother, when they can enjoy all that unsupervised power, as well?

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IF he were impeached I

IF he were impeached I wonder if we tax payers would still have to pay former president salary and for his security.

My understanding is that, at least as of 2005, an ex-president gets a nice yearly salary of more than $180,000 and that's just the beginning because he doesn't have to pay for a lot of other things.

For instance, a former President gets $96,000 to pay an office staff. He gets government-paid travel. His phone bill is paid, as are postage and office supplies.

WTF ???


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How about 500 trillion $

How about 500 trillion $ prosecuting all the Bush and Church gang as a message to the world ?  How about all we got ? .... I say all .... Eat them Rich. 

    


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I have said it before and

I have said it before and will say it again. The Democrats are afraid of public backlash and possibly negative election results in response to this. Also to a certain degree some Democrats are complicit by their silence on such matters as warrantless wiretapping etc. The leadership was briefed and they knew about it, but did nothing to stop it at the time of their disclosure.

It really isn't even realistic to think the Republicans would uphold the constitution in impeaching this president when they have shown a wilfull disregard for the law when it conflicts with partisan law-breaking.

The Democrats are such spineless cowards in this issue in that they would rather secure power in the upcoming elections than prosecute the laws as the constitution defines them. If recent US history has shown us anything, its that attaining and securing power, while protecting your own will trump the "right thing" in almost every circumstance, be it Conservative, Progressive, Libertarian, Socialist etc. Unfortunately our elected officials are not that different than most people. They are motivated primarily by their own ambitions, wants, and needs moreso than carrying out justice. The Democratic Leadership are such horrible politicians with respect to their Republican counterparts that they have actually bought into a large part of their conservative opponent's policy objectives. With FISA they didn't want to respond to Republican claims of being weak on terror. With the impeachment of Bush they don't want to respond to false claims of political retribution and partisan politics. Of course the real claims they should be worried about responding to are those of the American people. The very real and true claims that they have failed the American people by not holding to account those who have lied to the American people, illegally tortured, spied on innocent Americans, led us into Wars of Aggression, etc. These are the claims that matter, and also the claims that continue to fall on deaf ears, as they don't seem to figure into the current political strategy.

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MattShizzle wrote:It just

MattShizzle wrote:

It just wouldn't be practical is the only problem I have - by the time the proceedings would be over he'd be long gone anyway - there's less than 6 months left in the Bush regime.

If Bush was impeached we wouldn't have to pay is presidential pension, and all bills laws ect.. that were passed under his presidency would be voided and have to be re-ratified by a new President. 

Considering how impeachable the man is and considering we could potentially reverse some of the bullshit he's pulled it's worth it.