Oh my.... science proves popular opinion wrong again?

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Oh my.... science proves popular opinion wrong again?

Prosecutor: DNA clears JonBenet Ramsey's family

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080709/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey

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Early in the investigation police found male DNA in a drop of blood on JonBenet's underwear and determined it was not from anyone in her family, but Lacy said they were unable to say who it came from and whether that person was "innocent or otherwise."

Then late last year, prosecutors turned over long underwear JonBenet was wearing to the Bode Technology Group near Washington, which used a new technique called "touch DNA" to find previously undetected DNA evidence.

Touch DNA involves scraping genetic material that could not otherwise be seen. Two samples were found on the sides of her long underwear, in an area where an attacker would have pulled them down.

The results, reported to prosecutors in March, indicated the newly discovered DNA matched the DNA found earlier, and was not from the Ramsey family. Lacy said the presence of the same male DNA in three places on the girl's clothing convinced investigators it belonged to JonBenet's killer, and had not been left accidentally by an innocent party.

Once again, science proves better than majority opinion.  I wonder if humans are capable of learning the lesson that the default position of disbelief is the ONLY valid way to arrive at true conclusions with any reliability.  I doubt it.

 

 

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Like the majority of

Like the majority of Americans trust science. I've actually heard religious people say already the "Science never did anything good - and look at all the good Christianity does!"

 

I would nominate that for stupidest statement ever.

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as a person who loves a good conspiracy

I am shocked and have to sit down. I studied that case as it progressed over the years and I thought the brother did it. And I still think the brother did it. My main reason for believing that is the statement analysis of the ransom note. The killer took a long time to write it using paper at the scene. So the mom or dad was covering for the brother and may not have told the other for a while. There was a dollar amount mentioned that happened to be the same as a bonus the father got that year. There were several other things written in this book on statement analysis about the case. The family acted pretty guilty too, not that I wouldnt advise doing the same thing in their position, and not going to the police station for as long as possible.

I saw another case where the parents let the police intimidate the brother of a slain girl into confessing by keeping him up for 72 hours straight til he actually believed he did it. That was a mirror image of this case. There was DNA on her shirt that wasnt the brothers but the police didnt care at that point.

They talk about OJ in the book too. "I am 100% not guilty." He was right. He did not feel guilty about it. The premise is that the perps are telling the truth even when they lie. You can tell if you examine word for word what they actually said. In the OJ case I think he might have paid some cops including maybe Mark Furmin to "tamper" with the evidence. I concluded that after reading a FBI profile of the case that the LAPD did not ask for and it was spot on for simpson. The whole racial thing was a coverup to steer attention away from the tampering.

But the odds are that I would favor any good conspiracy over the boring 'ol truth anyway...(and I'm not a big fan of Ockhams razor either!)


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JustAnotherBeliever wrote:I

JustAnotherBeliever wrote:

I am shocked and have to sit down. I studied that case as it progressed over the years and I thought the brother did it. And I still think the brother did it. My main reason for believing that is the statement analysis of the ransom note. The killer took a long time to write it using paper at the scene. So the mom or dad was covering for the brother and may not have told the other for a while. There was a dollar amount mentioned that happened to be the same as a bonus the father got that year. There were several other things written in this book on statement analysis about the case. The family acted pretty guilty too, not that I wouldnt advise doing the same thing in their position, and not going to the police station for as long as possible.

Even with scientific forensics proof you still hold the belief that a family member did it despite evidence to the contrary. What more need be said. As my daughter is a DNA forensics specialist she says there is absolutely no possibility that any of the family members were involved. I'll go with her expertise and not your amateur CSI view.

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Prosecutor: DNA clears JonBenet Ramsey's family

 

meh, so what, they still dolled her up like a cheap streetworker and pedalled her across the country in that most disgraceful of human pursuits child "beauty" (irony alert! you'd be hard pressed to find anything more hideous-looking) pageantry. Pageants (especially those that incur the expectation for parading lipstick and fake eyelashes on u-6 yr olds) should be banned and ridiculed for the vile exploitation that they are. Regardless of their implication in her death, the Ramsays and any other parent who willingly, in deliberation, subjects their children to this vulgar institution of mind-body theft by means of emotional-psychological battery disgust me and are guilty of taking someone's life wantonly anyway.

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Eloise wrote:Regardless of

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Regardless of their implication in her death, the Ramsays and any other parent who willingly, in deliberation, subjects their children to this vulgar institution of mind-body theft by means of emotional-psychological battery disgust me and are guilty of taking someone's life wantonly anyway.

Agreed, all parents that use their children in this way to obviously fulfill their own internal need of gratification are minimally guilty of child abuse.

 

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Quote:meh, so what, they

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meh, so what, they still dolled her up like a cheap streetworker and pedalled her across the country in that most disgraceful of human pursuits child "beauty" (irony alert! you'd be hard pressed to find anything more hideous-looking) pageantry. Pageants (especially those that incur the expectation for parading lipstick and fake eyelashes on u-6 yr olds) should be banned and ridiculed for the vile exploitation that they are. Regardless of their implication in her death, the Ramsays and any other parent who willingly, in deliberation, subjects their children to this vulgar institution of mind-body theft by means of emotional-psychological battery disgust me and are guilty of taking someone's life wantonly anyway.

I meant to imply no absolution for being shitty parents.  Just for being murderers.

 

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Hambydammit wrote:I meant to

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I meant to imply no absolution for being shitty parents.  Just for being murderers.

 

Yeah, I'm sorry Hamby I know you didn't and I distorted the subject a little to get my two cents in.

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