see what i am sayin???
Offline I came upon your site by accident and although i do not agree with your views this is not the reason i am writing. I also do not agree with christianity or any other organized religion. (i am 24 party girl, i hate to be told what to do.) but after reading some of the posts on your site i noticed that everyone is like down with religion however if you look at the meaning of religion in the dictionary mine states quote RELIGION any practice,matter etc treated with devotion or keen conscientiousness. therfore isnt this in a sense what you have all tried to avoid yet have some how actually created? your own religion. This is just a matter of observation.I also find it rather irratating the way people that do not have your views visit this site with sayings like well prove that God isnt real. What the hell???? you visited this site. (no punn intended) World peace would be so much more obtainable if we could see how damaging it is to impose our thoughts and beliefs onto some one else. What you have here is obviously a place where a group of like minded individuals can come together to express themselves freely. More freely than those who attend church to to do the same thing. So if this site is not to your beleif stay away all your doing by adding your opinion to people who do not think like you is throwing fuel on the fire.You are wasting your time AND everyone elses. stick to the sites that offer you your comfort. As for me i know i dont belong at this site.
I have not wished to offend!!!
P.S one final thought
To those who believe no proof is necessary
To those who dont, no proof is sufficient.
4 those who believ no proof is necessary
4 those who dont no proof is sufficient
Welcome "party girl". Lots of ideas here at this great RRS site. You might be surprised. This is not a club.
If you were to have kids, or do, would you want the Christian etc message, of born sinners, taught to their innocent minds? Hell for eternity? God let his son get brutally nailed to a cross???
ETC
"To those who believe no proof is necessary
To those who dont, no proof is sufficient."
This has to be the worst quote I have seen in a while.
I believe an angry, invisible troll is going burrow inside your intestines for posting this, giving you spontaneous diarrhea for the rest of your life. Of course I don't have any proof....but I sure believe it!
Oh and btw, I am pretty sure most rational materialists here would submit to changing their beliefs upon sufficient proof. If Jesus comes down from Heaven and starts breaking all of the known laws of physics, call me a believer, until then, there is no compelling evidence to believe.
Aside from that, welcome to the forums! I hope you stick around and debate a bit. It can be fun. No harsh feelings over your stomach troll...he's imaginary so he won't bother you. Cheers!
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Yoda
Why are u posting the same thing in multiple forums?
I hope I'm going to stave off some nasty replies by telling you that this has been answered at least fifty times in the last six months, and that you can find lots of well thought out replies if you dig for a while. I'll help you by citing a few of them:
Why Are Atheists So Angry?
Religious Moderation
Probable Result of RRS Campaigns
http://www.rationalresponders.com/why_fight_for_atheism
Greta Christina and Atheist Anger
"You Can't Talk about My Religion!"
Now, as to your claim that atheism is a religion. You're falling victim to a common misconception about the relationship between atheism and theism. It's not like being a Republican or a Democrat, where there are two opposite sides of an issue, each having their own philosophy and espousing their own way of "solving the problems." You see, atheism is NOT A PHILOSOPHY. Atheists generally have their own philosophies, but there is absolutely nothing inherent in the disbelief in a deity that necessitates belief in or practice of anything. Theism is a philosophical position, and atheism is simply the observation that it's an irrational philosophical position.
From another point of view, groups like RRS do have some things in common with religious groups. We are a group of people who have similar goals, and we are working together to accomplish them. That doesn't make us like religion, though. It makes us and the religious like humans. All humans everywhere form groups in order to accomplish shared goals. This is because of the mathematical advantage from specialization, not from the desire or belief to follow a dogma or code of conduct. In that sense, groups of atheists are more like workers unions than religions.
So, to summarize. No, atheism is not like a religion in a dogmatic way. It's a lack of philosophy or dogma, and the freedom to choose any philosophy you like. Yes, groups of atheists are groups, and as such, are similar to groups of religious people. We're also just like groups of Star Trek fans and groups of horticulturists. We like hanging out with people who agree with us, and we find it's a lot easier to get our goals accomplished when we work together.
Now, I'm sorry to tell you that this is probably the most polite response you're going to get. We hear this about once a week, and it gets really old. I suspect you're going to catch some hell.
If superior creatures from space ever visit earth, the first question they will ask, in order to assess the level of our civilization, is: 'Have they discovered evolution yet?' -- Richard Dawkins
It's against forum rules to post the same thing in multiple forums. Please don't do this again, or your account will be subject to possible suspension.
I'm linking these two because people have responded in both. Otherwise, I would have just deleted one.
If superior creatures from space ever visit earth, the first question they will ask, in order to assess the level of our civilization, is: 'Have they discovered evolution yet?' -- Richard Dawkins
I came upon your site by accident and although i do not agree with your views this is not the reason i am writing. I also do not agree with christianity or any other organized religion. (i am 24 party girl, i hate to be told what to do.) but after reading some of the posts on your site i noticed that everyone is like down with religion however if you look at the meaning of religion in the dictionary mine states quote RELIGION any practice,matter etc treated with devotion or keen conscientiousness. therfore isnt this in a sense what you have all tried to avoid yet have some how actually created? your own religion. This is just a matter of observation.I also find it rather irratating the way people that do not have your views visit this site with sayings like well prove that God isnt real. What the hell???? you visited this site. (no punn intended) World peace would be so much more obtainable if we could see how damaging it is to impose our thoughts and beliefs onto some one else. What you have here is obviously a place where a group of like minded individuals can come together to express themselves freely. More freely than those who attend church to to do the same thing. So if this site is not to your beleif stay away all your doing by adding your opinion to people who do not think like you is throwing fuel on the fire.You are wasting your time AND everyone elses. stick to the sites that offer you your comfort. As for me i know i dont belong at this site.
I have not wished to offend!!!
P.S one final thought
To those who believe no proof is necessary
To those who dont, no proof is sufficient.
4 those who believ no proof is necessary
4 those who dont no proof is sufficient
But you have managed to be just so, by your sloppy and lazy writing. I regret to inform you that I barely understand what you are saying, largely due to your inability to write properly. As I have stated countless times, anyone who writes in such a manner, so sloppily, automatically looks silly. Why is it considered acceptable on the internet? Consider what happens when someone first glances at the block of text. Because there is no capitalization, it just looks like one big, ugly, run-on sentence. (To those who say I am being a grammar Nazi, I ask you whose post you would rather read). What I can decipher, I shall refute:
This is either (a) inaccurate or (b) One of multiple definitions of an intentionally nebulous concept. As is traditionally defined quite tightly, religion is concerned with a set of rituals and practices and canonized doctrines or concepts usually pertaining to metaphysical notions and/or deification. Under the broad definition you employed, that religion is something treated with "devotion or keep conscientiousness" the RRS would not necessarily take a hostile sense to every conceivable position that could pertain to these notions. In other words, you have made a fallacy of equivocation, starting with one definition of "religion" within a premise and concluding with a conclusion employing a different definition of the same word. This is automatically invalidated.
This is ridiculous. If you are implying that when people believe certain things, they need no proof to hold them, this can be immediately refuted by pointing out the many beliefs that I, or other members hold, on rational grounds. Or, perhaps you use belief in the tighter sense of metaphysical beliefs, as in "a believer" like a believer in God? If this is the case, it is nonetheless entirely possible that there are those who hold these positions under the belief that they have good evidence for them. In the latter case, I, personally, being familiar with these proofs, reject them as flawed and incoherent. This leads me to your second point "to those who don't, no evidence is sufficient". This is equally silly, since it may be the case that these "proofs" are being rejected because they really are insufficient, and not because the unbeliever is stubborn.
Anyway, it wouldn't really matter, since such an accusation would be a circumstantial ad hominem, not responding to the arguments of either set for determining who is correct. Thus, the accusation is pointless.
Thus we encounter books that use quantum mechanics as a justification for an array of metaphysical and spiritual beliefs written by people who would be unable to interpret a Feynman diagram or recognize, much less solve, a simple work function problem, articles smugly asserting that certain structures and organisms could not possibly have evolved, whose authors would be unable to draw a Punnett Square, brazen proclamations that evolution violates the laws of thermodynamics from people who would be unable to calculate enthalpy changes, use the combined gas law or solve a simple problem of dynamic equilibrium
-Me
2each Quote: "As for me i know i dont belong at this site." ~
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Ummm, What site(s) do you belong at ?
Well Welcome.
This is from something I wrote:
''Atheism is a religion/ atheists have faith.
Premises: Exactly what it says in the title
Problem: Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair color, off is a tv channel, and not playing football is a sport. It is the lack of belief. The Cambridge online dictionary defines religion as “the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or any such system of belief and worship.’’
An atheist has neither belief in any gods, nor worships any. Religion can also be defined as “a set of rituals and ceremonies pertaining to a deity.” Again, this is not demonstrated in the atheist’s life.
I will assume the Christian reader does not believe in Thor. Is you’re a-Thorism a religion? Do you call yourself a follower of the ‘There is no Thor faith’, and go to Thor unbelief church? No.''
I didn't get the pun anyway.
Pretty much.I've found this site invaluable in many ways.You should try it.
''So what if people believe something else. Why not just let them be?
Problem: Remember the Twin Towers? Want to live in a world were stem cell research could prolong lives? Then speak out against religion. If an adult still believed in Santa, wouldn’t you feel compelled to put them straight? Religion is severely dangerous to our world. Try find a war that didn’t have religious influence behind it. Whenever there is religion, knowledge is shunned and ridiculed.
Most christians think the world would be great if everyone thought like they did. We had that once. It was called the Dark Age, and it set humanity back possibly centuries. The fact is, people will rather vote for someone who has no qualification except believing in god, than a highly capable person who doesn’t.
People once believed demons caused illness and drilling holes in peoples head was considered the cutting edge of medicine. If that’s the world you want, keep up your religion.''
You haven't really,just confused.
Obviously, or it would'nt be belief.Belief with proof is knowledge or fact,not faith.
I'm pretty sure if god decided to make his presence known he could use his amazing powers to prove it to me.
Loc'n'Load
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Dr. feel good Loc !
looks like you've been partying too much, party girl, you've re-regurgitated your own vomit...
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.
Isaac Asimov