Will the price of gasoline just keep climbing ?

I cannot believe how expensive gasoline has become in my part of the States ( ie, north Texas ) Regular unleaded has just recently passed the $4.00 mark and diesel is inching past $4.50. This is fucking pathetic.
I don't believe in overreacting
but for starters I believe we should take the CEO's of the major oil companies and televise their public executions. This should put the remaining shareholders in a mood to negotiate.
America is becoming more fucked up by the minute.






























The reason isn't due to the oil companies pumping profits (no pun intended), but more so because demand is outstripping supply. India and China are increasing their oil usage exponentially at the moment, non-OPEC countries aren't increasing the amount they're producing so the OPEC countries are having a harder time keeping up with demand. This pushes the prices higher. This along with the limited supply of oil, it's bound to happen.
My car died two days before christmas, I have an unregistered motorbike too. I've given up on the idea of registering it due to the current prices, even its consumption would be more expensive than I'd be willing to pay. I've taken up bicycle riding again. That and public transport do me these days.
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Yeah, I parked my old diesel Mercedes in the driveway and there it sits. It's just too expensive to fill it up. I'd like to take up bike riding too but the bike I want has a big air cooled V-twin motor and 18" ape hangers
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ps, but for now I'll have to stick with my Honda Civic.
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I just realised my post may not have been entirely clear, so I've edited it and just posting this reply. When I said I've taken up bike riding, I meant on a bicycle. Most of my trips are either to/from the city in which case I can get public transport and all the shops I visit are only a few km's away so the bicycle can get me there quite nicely. Or at least it will when I get my fitness out of its current state which I'm sure most doctors would call "he shouldn't technically be alive".
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No thingy, I understood your meaning ( and I agree ) I was just broadening the definition of "bike" to include my interest in motorcycles.
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The US has been lucky that gas prices have been relatively low. That's because gas is subsidized through the petrodollar, but now countries like Iran have gone completely off the petrodollar and have been selling oil in Euros and Yen.
Look at the prices of gas in Europe - anywhere from 4-$7 gallon.
Your anger is placed at the wrong people. CEOs are part of the problem. If you want to place the blame, the majority goes to the Fed. They are the ones destroying the value of the dollar which causes oil prices to go up. A lot of oil is imported so when the dollar goes down foreigners want to be paid more in the depreciated dollar.
Congress is to blame too. They give subsidises to oil companies and when they make too much profit they want to tax them. It's all part of a political charade.
You need to take a look at the price of commodites. Now that the dollar is weak, stuff like precious metals, food, and other raw materials are coming up their all time high.
Here are some charts to help illustrate the relationship between a falling dollar and rising commodity prices:
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In SA the petrol price is reaching R10/L,($1.30/L) which is really bad.I have a motorbike,and even though it's vastly preferably to the consumption of my friend's car,I only use it when I have to. Taking the car to our usual hang out costs the same in petrol as the whole nights drinks.
I'm really afraid I'll end up getting some little, slow, super economical bike.
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If you track the crude spot prices in Euros and dollars, this is the chart that you get:
http://europe.theoildrum.com/node/3753
As you can see, oil in both currencies increased at about the same rate, but eventually the spread between USD and EUR gets wider due to problems with the US dollar. Oil prices are a function of what the sellers charge the buyers, which tends to be influenced by supply and demand, but not always.
As thingy pointed out, demand is increasing in other countries. Some of those countries are creating a new middle class, which involves a powerful economic change that stimulates demand. This alone can cause oil to increase in price, but we also have a major issue with the USD. Several people I trust for accurate economic views are stating that a hyperinflationary depression for the US is possible (in other words: almost complete depreciation of our currency).
http://www.shadowstats.com/article/292 (I am a subscriber here)
http://www.europac.net/ (I have several accounts with this firm)
I also have several other subscriptions that I keep to stay informed.
Since rising prices are a given, I recommend stocking up on all household goods that you need, since many people's income are not likely to catch up with the raising prices. So it makes since to stock up while items are "cheaper." I also recommend keeping as much food on hand, but not longer than its expiration date. There will probably be a wheat shortage in 2009 since we are not likely to get the harvests this year to supply the demand. For those that do get wheat, it will be expensive.
I have driven my car only a few times this year because I work next door to where I live and groceries, stores, post office, bank, and many other things I need are within walking distance from where I live. While only a few people can get this benefit, I do suggest looking at what changes you might have to make to deal with $6.00 gas or more. And if we do get hyperinflation, gas will likely be unaffordable. When Germany experienced hyperinflation, many people were able to avoid starvation because they had small gardens for fresh produce. Many people had these gardens because the regular supply of produce was inferior. Our current supply of food is managed to reduce inventory levels and has not been significantly tested for large supply disruptions.
Anyway, hyperinflation is a possibility, not a certainty. Although after a long, hard look at the long and sad history of fiat currency in human history and our current economy along with historic accounts of hyperinflation, I am forced to take hyperinflation in the US seriously.
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Just about all currencies are depreciating with respect to gold. Gold value is relatively stable since you have to mine it and process it compared to fiat currency (not backed by anything).
Gold is the easiest way to protect yourself from inflation. If you can't buy gold, silver is for smaller budgets and it has greater potential to go up.
I believe this is what is going to happen. In the late 70s we had high oil prices and high food prices, but the Fed chairman Volcker raised interest rates to 20% to bring on the recession. Back then we didn't borrow from foreign countries, so most of the inflation was contained in the US. Now China, Japan, the UK, and many other countries own our debt, so when the dollar keeps on going down they will want to get out. Now the Fed funds rate is 2% which is going depreciate the dollar more. If the Fed raises rates it will wreak havoc on businesses, so they are likely only to lower rates which will lead to hyperinflation.
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Stock Market Crash - Robert Prechter on Bloomberg explains
Yep time to stock on food now before it gets more expensive. There are food shortages around the world, and when the dollar drops more foreign countries will have more purchasing power to buy up the food.
Here are some of my favorite Youtube videos:
All the panelists are shilling for the housing market while Peter speaks the truth of the credit bubble. Ben Stein is in this one.
Peter Schiff talks about his book Crash Proof
Peter Schiff talks about gold
Basic advice: Get out of the US dollar as much as you can. Buy precious metals and foreign commodities, and stay close to your friends and family in case of a financial meltdown.
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You know there's a limited amount of light sweet crude, right? So it's inevitable. Should I elaborate?
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No, but I am not in the same income bracket as Hollywood movie stars or pro athletes so the price of fuel is becoming an intolerable burden for the average wage earner. The recent price trends are more than a minor inconvenience as almost all modes of transportation are oil dependent, and due to the distances involved in modern day commuting, few alternatives are practical much less affordable, hence my anger.
I've seen the charts and graphs with their explanations of supply and demand and the changing world market, etc but I've yet to see anyone make an attempt to factor in the effect of a very arbitrary cause of high oil prices...human greed.
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I don't think anyone was ruling that out of the equation despite all the graphs and explinations, it was just a matter of course in all of them. However, greed is not the main source of it, just something certain people are taking advantage of as always.
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Okay.... we have successfully established how the price of fuel is determined...now what ?
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Actually the price of gas has been too low for too long.
When enough people start dying from starvation and freezing, congress (and many other people) will finally pull their head out of their ass (mainly because the voters will demand it) and allow drilling where it is not permitted and start building nuclear power plants.
The push is on for windmills.
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Those of us who will eventually die of starvation and hypothermia will have to express our gratitude for those windmills in advance.
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Okay, except nobody has any way to make the scarcity of a resource change. There can't be any more of it, so greed or not, the price will go up. It's not arbitrary at all. There's less, so you'll get charged more.
You can call it greed if you like, but you'd have to point the finger squarely at us. Our greed for cheap fuel, our greed for cheep far-away food, our greed for cheap Chinese consumer goods, and our greed for suburbia.
Will: no gyration without funkstification.
The prices of stuff (commodities) will go up due to inflation (increase of the money supply). Worldwide there is excessive inflation, but the central banks that are doing the right thing are raising rates to tighten the money supply. Supply/demand has an effect on prices but not as much as inflation. I don't believe we should have central banks, but since we can't just overthrow them you will have to follow the flow of money to protect yourself.
The government lies about inflation. The core inflation is calculated by excluding food and energy. What has gone up the most in the last couple years - food and energy.
I have some food charts as I do financial research and collect charts and graphs:
http://foodcrisis.wordpress.com/
New Economics of Hunger
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/04/26/ST2008042602333.html?sid=ST2008042602333
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No thanks, I prefer living in denial
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Also, our debt used to be mostly in 30 year bonds. So if we increased the fed funds rate to 20%, the interest on the national debt would still be affordable if our national debt were long term debt. Since a large portion of our national debt is much shorter in term, a 20% fed funds rate would likely cause the US to default on its debt. So doing what it takes to fix the inflation is not going to work this time.
Also, our current 2% fed funds rate is creating more imbalances. Lets say you want to loan someone money. Inflation is 2% and you charge someone 6% interest. That means you have a real return of 4%, since inflation reduced the purchasing power of your money by 2%. So the formula for real return rate is interest rate minus inflation. If inflation is 6% and you charge 6% interest, then you are letting someone borrow your money for free, because you have no real return.
Now lets look at the current situation. Inflation is probably higher than 6%, but lets use that number anyway. The fed funds rate is 2%. The real return rate is the interest rate (2%) minus inflation (6%), which is -4%. So effectively, creditors are loosing money. No business would want to operate like this unless it wants to go out of business. But a country can get away with it as long as it can influence the money supply and create more inflation. But we are dependent on foreign countries to accept a negative rate of return on their savings. If they sell off their short term debt, it will likely put the US into hyperinflation.
Gold does very well when real interest rates are negative. Part of the above insight is due to me reading Christopher Laird's paid subscription at prudentsquirrel.com. He tends to be good at looking at near term issues, but I trust Peter Schiff for a more accurate long term view. I will probably be experimenting with a small garden this summer, mainly for learning purposes. If I need that skill, then at least I will have some practice, and potentially help others.
"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. ..." -- Thomas Jefferson
Like many people, I understand that the price of a barrel of oil and a gallon of gasoline is affected to some extent by supply and demand.
That said, I'm pretty sure that the decrease in supply and increase in demand are nowhere near high enough to justify the price of oil jumping over $100 per barrel in under 10 years. We're talking an entire order of magnitude increase in price because of speculation - futures traders buying oil at a high price for no other reason than to sell it at a HIGHER price three months down the line.
Gas is also up for this reason - if it costs more to buy the raw materials to make the finished product, the finished product will cost more to the end user. Gas used to cost $1.20 a gallon. Now you're lucky if you can find anybody still selling it for under $4/gal. It was about $3.50 only about a month ago, and at the pace it's going, it'll probably reach $5/gal by the end of June, definitely by the end of July.
The plummeting value of the U.S. Peso Dollar isn't helping, either.
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This might help:

From http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$WTIC&p=W&yr=3&mn=0&dy=0&id=p41488110776
The dashed line is light crude oil. The line going up along with it is the Reuters/Jefferies-CRB Index. The line going down is the USD. The CRB index contains oil, but oil and natural gas only account for 18% of the entire index. Other components of the CRB index include grains, industrials (copper and cotton), livestock, precious metals, and softs (cocoa, coffee, orange juice, and sugar).
So, how much of the increase is exclusively supply/demand for just oil (and not other stuff), or is demand for everything going up, or is inflation driving all of this? I suspect the last two items. There are many economies outside of the US that are growing at a fast rate. This increases demand. The falling USD is compounding our problem.
"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. ..." -- Thomas Jefferson
Hehe. Awesome.
Will: no gyration without funkstification.
I agree with what you are saying. I listen to a wide variety of experts, and the ones that understand central banking, interest rates, money supply tend to come up with the same conclusions. Peter Schiff says if we have a collapse here the rest of the world will suffer as well, but the asian economies will rebound relatively quickly. I have no hope for America in the long term. That is if I want to accept a lower standard of living. It looks like the big government candidates Obama/Clinton/McCain will take the presidency and on with that will come higher taxation on top of the burden of more inflation.
I see this as part of a bigger picture. The bankers want to eventually destroy the US dollar so that they can have a North American Union and a new currency called the Amero. The plans are already on their way with a NAFTA superhighway and more bureaucratic managed trade. To make this plan work the powers that be will have to orchestrate it after the people have been significantly weakened that they can't fight back. I'm a believer in the New World Order conspiracy.
Jim Rogers the billionaire investor has gotten out of the dollar and moved his family to Singapore. He predicted the commodities rally in the 70s where he made most of his money, and now he's doing the same with asian investments. I'd like to invest in the chinese market if I have enough before going broke.
Marc Faber, Jim Tice, Doug Casey, Jim Puplava are some of the other experts I listen to. Puplava's free weekly podcast at Financial Sense Newshour is the best overview to understand what's going on in the global economy.
I don't know where the best place to live would be that would have a comparable standard of living that o the US. Eventually I would want to get out. I see it like Peter Schiff does - the american economy is like the Titanic sinking, get out while you can.
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right now is a good time to start thinking 'alternatives', (hydrogen, maybe compressed air or even garbage). the gov't has the technology, i just know it.
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