sapient,- got a burning question for you-
Posted on: May 22, 2008 - 4:13pm
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sapient,- got a burning question for you-
sapient, your a smart guy. the sun, burns at the right temperature-perfect distance from from earth . earth, has right amount of spin. moon, pulls ocean currents to keep oceans from going stagnant.. gravity, exact amount. Q: What are the chance these set themselves up all on their own, on a first time go?
1 in what?
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obviously 1 in 1 because it happened ^_^
I agree with DS - 1 in 1.
Coincidentally, this is the same probability that you'll write about God doing all of it with absolutely no proof for that or him.
Q : what are the chances a DNA helix can build its self?
-your saying a 1 in 1 chance because it did. are you saying God set this up 1 out of 1 times? -
Q: what are the chances it could have done it on its own?
Can't say anything about god until you or he/she/it proves his/her/its existence. You have no proof of his/her/its existence so you have no proof that he/she/it set anything up (unless you're holding out on us).
As for your questions - again, as it did do it on its own the chances are 1 in 1.
In before Mattshizzle posts the "not this shit again" cat.
rugerac556, you're obviously not a smart guy if your level of comprehension of the English language is anything to go by. What you are proposing here would only be a valid argument only if the Moon, the Earth and the Sun were the only three objects in the entire universe. It doesn't take in to account any of the other planets in our solar system, let alone the billions of other stars out there as well as their associated planets and moons (for those minute few that managed to form planets with moons that is). The idea of "a first time go" is also quite hilarious to say the very least. Do you honestly believe the natural universe can rewind and reset itself?
Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
"Coincidentally, this is the same probability that you'll write about God doing all of it with absolutely no proof for that or him."
"As for your questions - again, as it did do it on its own the chances are 1 in 1."
--what proof are you using to support your belief that a DNA helix can build its self?--
Evolutionary biology (not an expert but can find journals). What you got? Oh yeah, the Bible and apologists.
"The idea of "a first time go" is also quite hilarious to say the very least. Do you honestly believe the natural universe can rewind and reset itself?"
-the Big Bang sapient, your not that dumb
Exactly...
rugerac556, If I rolled billions of dice, throwing each out 1 at a time and leaving them on the table (it's a big table)... should I be surprised if I end up with a cluster of 6's? what about a 123456? Should I be surprised if 6 of them end up exactly 1 inch apart on the table... the perfect distance? Of course not, I rolled billions of them. But of course if there was an ant on one of those dice, he could ask "Is it just a coincidence that these dice are 1 inch apart, ordered in 123456 perfectly? I think not" Yet he is discounting the billions of chances there were to make this happen!
Keep in mind, humans didn't have a planet designed for them. On the contrary, the one planet that ended up in the right zone to produce life, did.
"Evolutionary biology (not an expert but can find journals). "
--I'm going to put the notion God is a creator into a trash can--
name the person who says 'a DNA helix can build its self' who states this claim?
the DNA helix is useless without the cell, the cell is useless without the DNA helix. has any atheists ever told you this?
so what im hearing is "What are the chances of something creating itself if it doesnt exist prior to the creating"...?
In which case, i am now laughing
What is it YOU want? "The usual — hundreds of grandchildren, utter domination of the Known Worlds, and the pleasure of hearing that all my enemies have died in terrible, highly improbable accidents that cannot be connected to me."
Although I must admit I am flattered, I am by no means Sapient. My username on this board is "Thingy". Now, please show your evidence that the big bang is the universe rewinding and resetting itself for another go.
Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
"Keep in mind, humans didn't have a planet designed for them. On the contrary, the one planet that ended up in the right zone to produce life, did."
out of the big bang, gravity ended up exact. a change of 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000001%(37 zeros) in gravity will result in total destruction of life. the odds, that is the number?
"so what im hearing is "What are the chances of something creating itself if it doesnt exist prior to the creating"...?
In which case, i am now laughing"
----what is your faith on 'origin of life'?......not 'origin of species'----- your having a bad mix up
"Now, please show your evidence that the big bang is the universe rewinding and resetting itself for another go"
--im going to take back saying: 'your not bumb.' sapient,(don't be ashamed of it) what are the odds?
No faith boy'o, no faith... heck, i ainta even talkin aboot origins, i'se talkin aboot how God done did it!, God done did it all, avery lassed bit! i'se no need for faith! i knows that God done did it
(Thank you AAL, i think i shall steal that phrase for my own purposes)
-_-
I was previously mocking the very idea that something can poof itself into existence if it didnt exist before hand... self-creationism, as it is...
What is it YOU want? "The usual — hundreds of grandchildren, utter domination of the Known Worlds, and the pleasure of hearing that all my enemies have died in terrible, highly improbable accidents that cannot be connected to me."
what is your idea on origin of life? do you even have one?
1 last time for the people in the back!
God done did it!
(why the fuck cant i access my yellow sarcasm font?)
What is it YOU want? "The usual — hundreds of grandchildren, utter domination of the Known Worlds, and the pleasure of hearing that all my enemies have died in terrible, highly improbable accidents that cannot be connected to me."
your giving me a useless parable,
i know you got it in you, what is your idea on origin of life?
I'm a little late but might as well join the fun.
Whatever the chances are of a seemingly perfect and complex structure arising,I know one thing. The chances of a being so more advanced that it could create these already complex things is even less than the structures arising by themselves.
So ya, it might all seem a little unlikely. Actually,if you read the replies,not that much, because as has been said, the earth is one succes in billion and billions of failures. Now what are the chances of a being so powerfull it could do all this arising?
Add a cup of Occam's Razor,serves one theist.
Loc'n'Load
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
---what is your idea on 'origin of life'----
----dont be ashamed to say it-----
That's false about gravity as are many other christian claims about the sloar system - life as we know it could survive anywhere from halfway to Venus all the way to Mars orbit on a planet with the right size/composition. And the sun doesn't "burn" - it's nuclear fusion.
oh... do we really have to talk about origins of life? its so... bland, and concrete... how about... origins of existence? or the beginning of the universe? or who ate the last baby
What is it YOU want? "The usual — hundreds of grandchildren, utter domination of the Known Worlds, and the pleasure of hearing that all my enemies have died in terrible, highly improbable accidents that cannot be connected to me."
I predict some serious PWNage if Deluded_God or another actual scientist shows up.
cherrypicking?
My opinion is the exact manner life started is as yet unknown to science.Just like electricity was once.And the germ theory of disease.And the movement of the earth.
That doesn't mean zeus makes lighting,demons cause disease, a giant bettle raises the sun, or anything created life on earth.
Loc'n'Load
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Its called "Effort" Matt, most of us just dont have it in us
What is it YOU want? "The usual — hundreds of grandchildren, utter domination of the Known Worlds, and the pleasure of hearing that all my enemies have died in terrible, highly improbable accidents that cannot be connected to me."
So far you've ignored every answer given.Irony?
Loc'n'Load
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
no 'origin of life', no 'origin of species' ---dont say its boring and dont be ashamed to share your beliefs on it
Ok, so whats the question im supposed to be answering now? with all my trolling ive completely lost track, and am far to lazy to re read the entire discussion... i'll answer this time, i swear on my baby rations
What is it YOU want? "The usual — hundreds of grandchildren, utter domination of the Known Worlds, and the pleasure of hearing that all my enemies have died in terrible, highly improbable accidents that cannot be connected to me."