Why doesn't anyone ever acknowledge the most interesting verse in the most well-established translation of the Bible?
Posted on: May 16, 2008 - 11:01pm
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Why doesn't anyone ever acknowledge the most interesting verse in the most well-established translation of the Bible?
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." (Revelation 20:14, KJV)
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I give up; Why is this the most interesting verse in a book of bad poetry; further to that what the hell does it mean. Humans can die only once, believe it or not - like it or not. And why art thou promoting this on a website full of rational people ?
jeffrick
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire! This is the second death! This is the third hell! This is my second bowl of ice cream!
High as a kite.
Will: no gyration without funkstification.
So hell is a person and not a place? And apparently not the place where the lake of fire is?
Whatever you're smokin' Revelations Guy, pass some over here.
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Well, in theory, Hell could have been a place (say... an island) that what thrown onto this fire lake...
And Death is just old Grimmy... but... shit... i had an idea >.<
What is it YOU want? "The usual — hundreds of grandchildren, utter domination of the Known Worlds, and the pleasure of hearing that all my enemies have died in terrible, highly improbable accidents that cannot be connected to me."
That'd be funny if the Bible had "Grim Reaper" in it. Chalk it right up with wizards, dragons, unicorns, and ghosts.
There's 66 books of crazy and you want me to look at one verse?
that part where it talks about the 4 horsemen I thought one of them was death i.e. grim reaper
Yeah, it must be early, I'm not reading a whole lot of sense into this one. Why would anyone (even a theist) think this is the most interesting verse.
I was taught that this verse is a poetic way of saying that after such and such End-Time event, death as a mortal event will no longer exist, so the second death is the death of death... poetically.
Never Mind, trust to chance -- keep a sharp look out -- There is many a happy slave.
--Charles Darwin, on whether or not he ought to marry.
Because it was written by someone on the 1st century's equivalent of LSD.
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
What makes you think the KJV is the most well established translation?
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Et suppositio nil ponit in esse.
"You act ridiculously," said Ion, "to doubt everything. For my part, I should like to ask you what you say to those who free possessed men from their terrors by exorcising the spirits so manifestly. I need not discuss this: everyone knows about the Syrian from Palestine, the adept in it, how many he takes in hand who fall down in the light of the moon and roll their eyes and fill their mouths with foam; nevertheless, he restores them to health and sends them away normal in mind, delivering them from their straits for a large fee. When he stands beside them as they lie there and asks : 'Whence came you into his body?' the patient himself is silent, but the spirit answers in Greek or in the language of whatever foreign country he comes from, telling how and whence he entered into the man; whereupon, by adjuring the spirit and if he does not obey, threatening him, he drives him out. Indeed, I actually saw one coming out, black and smoky in color." "It is nothing much," I remarked," for you, Ion, to see that kind of sight, when even the 'forms' that the father of your school, Plato, points out are plain to you, a hazy object of vision to the rest of us, whose eyes are weak." - Lucian, Lover of Lies
let us take a trip over the balls on that for a while.
"The longer you live the higher you fly,
the smiles you'll give and the tears you'll cry,
all you touch and all you see,
is all your life will ever be."
-Pink Floyd, The Dark Side of the Moon.
I wouldn't say the KJV is the most well-established, unless you refer to popularity instead of accuracy. In terms of popularity, yes. In terms of accuracy, most assuredly not. The KJV translation of Revelations 20.14 is inaccurate, which shatters the well-established accuracy myth.
The KJV translates the verse as "Death and Hell." A more appropriate translation would be "Death and Hades." If you search the NT, the fire and brimstone verses generally use Gehenna. Hades and Gehenna are not one and the same. Hades is the Greek equivalent to the Hebrew word Sheol. In Hebrew mythology, all the dead (good and bad) went to Sheol (and thus Hades). Hades is a temporary residence for spirits of all kinds. It's not the fire and brimstone Hell that the KJV would have you believe.
Remember when it said Jesus descended into "Hell"? He went into Hades, not the fire and brimstone Hell. Jesus went into Hades to preach to those who had not been saved and of those who had been saved, such as the Saints, followed him out of Hades. This is why, following Jesus' resurrection, you hear about the Saints rising from the dead. The Saints were not burning in fire and brimstone, contrary to much of the retarded theology often parroted by the thoughtless.
Anyhow, Jesus took the repentant out of Hades, leaving only the unrepentant. Later, those people are resurrected. They are thrown into the Lake of Fire. The good are now immortal in Heaven and there are no longer bad people that can experience death; therefore, Death itself has been abolished, which is stated in a poetic form by saying Death was cast into the Lake of Fire.
If the repenant have left Hades to Heaven, and the unrepentant have left Hades to the Lake of Fire, who is left in Hades? Nobody. Thus, Hades no longer serves a purpose and it is subsequently abolished. Again, the abolishment is spoken of poetically by saying Hades was cast into the Lake of Fire.
Thus, "Death and Hades were cast into the Lake of Fire."
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I always find it amazing that 99.9% of christians have not only never read the bible but are actually incapable of reading it. There entire lives are based around a piece of literature that they do not actually have the skills to read.
Talking about the bible in its original languages of course , Hebrew, Greek Aramaic?. Also tempted to keep a copy of one around and the next time some brainwashed death cultist comes around agree to convert if they read me their favourite part of it (from my version of course).
Of course its the same for Muslims too the vast majority of Muslims speak no Arabic (I'm also pretty sure the Koran was written in a very different version to modern Arabic and is effectively impossible to read without a university degree in the language)
Cool posting friends. For the most part, I read the ancient bible and similar writings, as early "Twilight Zone" scripts, revealing basic simple wisdom of our human tendencies. Those that were, or now religious, I reject. Religion is obviously dogma poison. Get rid of all religious preachers, and keep the sci fi messengers of AWE ..... dream weavers.
An atheistic interpretation of everything is to know all is ONE, all is connected.
Atheist Moses and Jesus were turned into religion
Moses - I am what I am, no god before me
Jesus - I am god, as you
Paul/Saul?, ahhh, fuck you
[ Summary: Moses - Jesus atheistic pantheists / Paul-Saul Xain ]
LotR (2:1-8)
Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die,
One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie.
See Lot2 I can quote fantasy books as well ! Yay ! However I prefer LotR it is more factual then Bible.
Ecrasez l'infame!
Lot2 I'm still waiting for the answer to my first question, and waiting, and waiting..........
jeffrick
Makes me want to run to church and 'love' God with all my heart, soul and mind. I better 'love' him or else face this torture.
Stop global whining.
I forgot to ask, what do you want us to acknowledge? I don't see your point. If it is an implicit threat of Hell, you should find a better conversion tactic because the Christian Hell scares us just as much as the Hindu's Nark—not at all.
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In case anyone is wondering, Visual_Paradox accurately answered the question as to the meaning of Revelation 20:14. The KJV is incorrect in it's use of the word "Hell" here.
The idea of "Sheol" or "the Grave" was a kind of holding tank where souls went when they died. It is my understanding that the faithful went to "Abraham's Bosom" and the rest went to sheol, but they could be the same thing. The truth is, that ancient Judaism actually dealt very little with the afterlife, to the degree that 2 sects arose, the Pharisees and Saduccess over the disagreement about whether their was an afterlife at all.
In my opinion, the Christian idea of afterlife and hell was taken directly from Egyptian religion, specifically the Papyrus of Ani and like burial texts. It certainly didn't come from Judaism as the O.T. is largely silent on the issue. In egyptian religion, the individual stands before the judgement seat of the resurrected Osiris and is judged whereupon he/she is sent to a paradise, or to a pit of fire where he is tortured by a large serpent. This can be verified by visiting your local library and picking up a copy of "the book of the dead", which is the same as the Papyrus of Ani.
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Actually, I think this part is better:
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts
And I looked and behold, a pale horse
And his name that sat on him was Death
And Hell followed with him.
How metal is THAT?
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