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OK guys, any advise on how to tell women you date you're an atheist? Would you lie to get laid? Ladies is this an issue with you too?

I've been dating a woman who recently split from her husband of 2 years. They were married in the catholic church because of social, religious and family pressure. So she is at the point in her life where she realizes all this pressure to conform is Bullshit.

I made jokes about religion and God and she laughed. But then I told her I didn't believe in any god at all and I think religion is BS. Her jaw just dropped when I told her this, apparently she has never heard anyone just come out and say it. We are still dating and I don't think she'd ever be religious and what I believe is not a problem, but she could always regress.

BTW, apparently the church never registered her marriage with the government. She told me the church doesn't grant divorces. I told her maybe we should go down and try to bribe the priest to give her an annulment and just delete the marriage record, so it would be like the marriage never happened. What do annulments go for these days?

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Fuck the church - if it

Fuck the church - if it wasn't registered it wasn't a real marriage. Even if it was, she could get a divorce from a JP and tell the church to get stuffed. I'm looking too, but I don't know about you, but it seems the only women attracted to me are Christian - the atheist women have way too high standards.

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I would tell a girl straight away I'm atheist. It's not something to be ashamed of, and by basing a relationship on deceit you're no better than the sterotype atheist. Besides, they're gonna be way more pissed if they find out later.Why should you hide your real self for some theist girl. And if they do find out you're an atheist and get offended, according to the bible they should have made sure not to be unequally yoked in the first place. So they've also sinned.

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MattShizzle wrote:Fuck the

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Fuck the church.

Well if I wanted to do that I'd become a Priest.

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it seems the only women attracted to me are Christian - the atheist women have way too high standards.

Maybe you should wear a T-Shirt with the picture of Jesus Fucking Christ on it.

I think that's cause atheist women aren't going to be that horny since they can have sex when and with whom they want, they don't have to please anyone but themselves, so they're harder to get. The hardcore Christian women are like a Venus Fly/man trap. Also, I don't think many woman are going to admit they are atheist, with all the anti-atheist propaganda, they think atheist woman means slut. I actually met a Christian prostitute one time, she couldn't work on Sundays or church holidays. She would confess her on the job sins, then go back to work the next day.

My own theory is that most people are closet atheists, so you got to date the Christian/Theist women then get them out of the closet. But you have to subtle about being an atheist and you may need to lie a bit in the beginning.

P.S. Have you tried any atheist dating sites?

 

 

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Loc wrote:I would tell a

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I would tell a girl straight away I'm atheist. It's not something to be ashamed of, and by basing a relationship on deceit you're no better than the sterotype atheist. Besides, they're gonna be way more pissed if they find out later.Why should you hide your real self for some theist girl. And if they do find out you're an atheist and get offended, according to the bible they should have made sure not to be unequally yoked in the first place. So they've also sinned.

So if you meet women in the 18-25 age range. How many of these women really believe, and how many are just Christian because of family, social pressure and religious indoctrination. I would say the vast majority of people in this age range are not really believers, just victims of religious indoctrination. So you could be the one to help understand if they really believe or if it's Bullshit.

So I would say date them. See if you can get them to think critically or do they just follow church dogma and indoctrination. Can they think for themselves? If they can't, then dump them. With older women that have been fully indoctrinated, probably not much hope of them changing.

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EXC wrote:Loc wrote:I would

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I would tell a girl straight away I'm atheist. It's not something to be ashamed of, and by basing a relationship on deceit you're no better than the sterotype atheist. Besides, they're gonna be way more pissed if they find out later.Why should you hide your real self for some theist girl. And if they do find out you're an atheist and get offended, according to the bible they should have made sure not to be unequally yoked in the first place. So they've also sinned.

So if you meet women in the 18-25 age range. How many of these women really believe, and how many are just Christian because of family, social pressure and religious indoctrination. I would say the vast majority of people in this age range are not really believers, just victims of religious indoctrination. So you could be the one to help understand if they really believe or if it's Bullshit.

So I would say date them. See if you can get them to think critically or do they just follow church dogma and indoctrination. Can they think for themselves? If they can't, then dump them. With older women that have been fully indoctrinated, probably not much hope of them changing.

I didn't say I wouldn't date them.I would just try be honest about who I am from the beginning. If they're still willing to date me after that, then sure. I'd do my best to help them with their theism, and have a date. I'm not anti-dating theists,just won't lie to get the date.

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hopefully hamby will say a

hopefully hamby will say a few words because i think we'd all agree he's the relationship advice expert.

i tried freethinkermatch.com... maybe it was just my area or something but even though it was a sausage fest i only got two replies.  one man was old enough to be my grandfather (and halfway across the country as well) and the second actually seemed great - until the date - when it came out that basically he was a christian hoping to convert me.  clingy too - took a few weeks to shake him.

i tell people i'm an atheist but anyone could google me and find that out so it's not like lying would work for more than a one night stand anyway.


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shelleymtjoy wrote:hopefully

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hopefully hamby will say a few words because i think we'd all agree he's the relationship advice expert.

i tried freethinkermatch.com... maybe it was just my area or something but even though it was a sausage fest i only got two replies.  one man was old enough to be my grandfather (and halfway across the country as well) and the second actually seemed great - until the date - when it came out that basically he was a christian hoping to convert me.  clingy too - took a few weeks to shake him.

i tell people i'm an atheist but anyone could google me and find that out so it's not like lying would work for more than a one night stand anyway.

So will many guys stop dating you if they know you're an atheist? I thought it was only us guys that have this dilemma.

But when you meet someone on these sites, don't you chat for a long time about what you think and believe before you meet them? I hate online dating sites cause you don't really get to know the person before you meet them, then it's awkward when you meet. But, I thought maybe the atheist/freethinker sites might be OK because you could chat with the person for a while about what you think and believe before deciding to meet them. You get to know more about them than just the profile and picture.

 

 

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EXC the one thing atheists and theists have in common is the willingness to "Lie to get Laid". I'd say GO FOR IT! Leave religion as far as possible -out of it-.

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EXC wrote:So will many guys

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So will many guys stop dating you if they know you're an atheist?

Well I am single but I don't think atheism is the reason.  If anything, being outspoken has been the reason I've actually met the few people I have dated.  No one has stopped dating me because I was an atheist but I can't think of anyone who didn't know I was an atheist before the date.

The atheist impostor on freethinkermatch did chat with me on line for a while but he lied... apparently he thought he could get me to accept jesus as my lord and savior if he could talk to me in person.

In general, however, I think I get to know someone better if I meet them online... you at least typically chat with someone for a week or two before meeting and IRL you really know much less - IMO.  Of course there is the whole "did they send a real picture" thing but these days with myspace and whatnot people post so many pictures that it's harder to be drawn in by a senior citizen's high school graduation photo.


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Jeffrick wrote:EXC the one

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EXC the one thing atheists and theists have in common is the willingness to "Lie to get Laid". I'd say GO FOR IT! Leave religion as far as possible -out of it-.

Yes, it's pretty amazing. I never would have thought a Christian that would lie about being a Christian to an atheist to get laid. Then what, he asks Jesus to forgive the lie so he can fornicate? I guess it takes all kinds. I don't think Shelly's date was atheist or theist just nuts.

You can't build a long term relationship on lies. So do I lie to a Christian woman just to get laid? But then if she puts out before marriage she's not really a believer right? So if I like a Christian woman, I don't tell her I'm atheist but then sleep with her and then tell her she's not really a Christian because she had sex with me before marriage. So then we could be two lying atheists in love.

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I usually try to stick with what I know to be factually true, not just anecdotally true, but I for this question, all I can do is give my best opinion.  Please take what follows accordingly.

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I told her maybe we should go down and try to bribe the priest to give her an annulment and just delete the marriage record, so it would be like the marriage never happened. What do annulments go for these days?

I don't know what common law says about marriages that were performed by the church but not registered by the state.  However, for state marriages, annulment is usually only available within a few days of being married.

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OK guys, any advise on how to tell women you date you're an atheist? Would you lie to get laid? Ladies is this an issue with you too?

How long do you plan to date them?  If you're not planning on going long term, I honestly wouldn't bother talking about it unless she specifically asks.  Atheist/theist becomes a problem when you start doing couple things like moving in together, having kids, planning vacations, etc.  When it's just casual dating, it's one of those things that to me, anyway, isn't worth talking about.

As for the lying part, my personal take is that I owe it to the world to not lie about my atheism.  Everyone needs to know how many of us there are, and I can't pretend to be a theist for a lay.  My own reputation hinges on my atheism, so I don't want to tarnish it for something as temporary as that.  I have no idea what your views on this are, so I don't really know what to recommend.  People lie to get laid all the time.  Men and women.  If your reputation isn't important to you, I don't think lying about atheism is the worst thing you could lie about.  Lying about herpes would be much worse.

Oh... one thing.  If you don't have a vasectomy, better make sure you wear an extra-heavy-duty condom if you decide to lie to a theist to get laid.  The last thing you want is an 18 year fight with a Christian who not only hates your lying atheist ass, but has the legal clout to drain your bank account at will.

 

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This is a weak rationalization.  I wouldn't recommend making decisions based on it.  Christians can't define what a true Christian is, so it's disingenuous of you to tell them what a real Christian is.  Statistically speaking, about 70% of Christians in America are what I would call moderates.  They believe in some of the bible, but not all.  To say that they all must believe in the proscriptions against premarital sex is to use the same cherry picking technique they use.Look, if you're playing the field, going from short term to short term, you're going to have to sleep with some theists.  There just aren't enough atheists out there, and EXC, I want you to take this in the nicest possible way, most of the atheist women I know would see through your bullshit.  If you're going to try to have sex with theist women, I think that's fine, but don't knock them up, and don't specifically lie as a way to try to get into their pants.  Just leave theism out of it and get in their pants the old fashioned way.  Charm them, buy them dinner, and ask them to come upstairs. 

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what's with all the atheist men out there claiming they can't get a date meanwhile I'm spending friday nights with my cat?


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Hambydammit wrote:How long

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How long do you plan to date them?  If you're not planning on going long term, I honestly wouldn't bother talking about it unless she specifically asks.  Atheist/theist becomes a problem when you start doing couple things like moving in together, having kids, planning vacations, etc.  When it's just casual dating, it's one of those things that to me, anyway, isn't worth talking about.

Well that's the problem, I don't want to casually date anyone. If it's not going to work out, I want to know up front so I don't waist my time, money and energy. It's really hard to tell if it's going to be an issue. Religion is so nutty and the reasons for belief are so ridiculous that it's hard to read if it would become a problem, many people are Christian in name only.

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Well that's the problem, I don't want to casually date anyone. If it's not going to work out, I want to know up front so I don't waist my time, money and energy. It's really hard to tell if it's going to be an issue. Religion is so nutty and the reasons for belief are so ridiculous that it's hard to read if it would become a problem, many people are Christian in name only.

Yeah.  That is a problem.

It's my experience that you're not going to find many atheists on dating sites.  You can figure that out for yourself.  Just go to a few where they let you browse for free and do a search for atheists.  Maybe one in a hundred, and to be honest, they don't appear to be... um... what's that word I'm looking for..... sane.

Do you plan on having any (more?) children?  It's my opinion that religion is a lot less important if there aren't going to be kids.  If you're done with the procreating, get yourself snipped.  It's easy.  It only hurts for a couple of days.  You can't tell the difference afterward.  It's a LOT cheaper than child support.

If you're not done making babies, you have to be honest up front.

If you were to date a theist long term, would her church attendance be a problem for you?  What about saying grace before meals, etc?  If you're ok with that kind of thing, tell her that you're an atheist, but that you're cool with her practicing her religion *within reason* and then be specific about what you mean.  If she's really into you, she'll probably be ok with that.  I think that if you can basically keep your mouth shut about religion, and not make "stupid Christian" jokes, you could probably date a moderate theist.  It's all about how much bullshit you can tolerate if she's cool in a lot of other areas.

 

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You want to know what I honestly think?  I think you're scaring the moderate atheists off at the local UU church, or whatever these meetings are.  Once you've scared a few guys off, the telephone game goes into high gear.  Guys aren't as gossipy as women, but trust me.  If one man has called you a high strung atheist bitch, lots of guys have heard it.

I think you need a change of scenery and a few months of playing nice.

 

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So do I lie to a Christian woman just to get laid? But then if she puts out before marriage she's not really a believer right?

This is a weak rationalization.  I wouldn't recommend making decisions based on it.  Christians can't define what a true Christian is, so it's disingenuous of you to tell them what a real Christian is.  Statistically speaking, about 70% of Christians in America are what I would call moderates.  They believe in some of the bible, but not all.  To say that they all must believe in the proscriptions against premarital sex is to use the same cherry picking technique they use.

Look, if you're playing the field, going from short term to short term, you're going to have to sleep with some theists.  There just aren't enough atheists out there, and EXC, I want you to take this in the nicest possible way, most of the atheist women I know would see through your bullshit.  If you're going to try to have sex with theist women, I think that's fine, but don't knock them up, and don't specifically lie as a way to try to get into their pants.  Just leave theism out of it and get in their pants the old fashioned way.  Charm them, buy them dinner, and ask them to come upstairs.

 

I know what the bible says, it's pretty clear premarital sex is a really bad sin and these moderates all know it. These moderates never tell which parts they believe and which not and why, intellectually dishonest. So a woman that says she "believes" the bible yet has sex outside marriage is lying just as I would be if I said I believed in God to get laid. We'd both be lying to get laid.

But you're right, relationships are so poisioned by religion, that it's best to avoid the topic until absolutely necessary.

 

 

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shelleymtjoy wrote:what's

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what's with all the atheist men out there claiming they can't get a date meanwhile I'm spending friday nights with my cat?

Well why aren't you out and about on Friday nights networking, meeting people, in the pubs, gyms, etc...  instead of with your cat?

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I know what the bible says, it's pretty clear premarital sex is a really bad sin and these moderates all know it. These moderates never tell which parts they believe and which not and why, intellectually dishonest. So a woman that says she "believes" the bible yet has sex outside marriage is lying just as I would be if I said I believed in God to get laid. We'd both be lying to get laid.

But you're right, relationships are so poisioned by religion, that it's best to avoid the topic until absolutely necessary.

Yep.  I don't believe in allowing myself to be intellectually dishonest just because the theists are.  Isn't that why we're fighting theism?

 

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Hambydammit wrote:Yep.  I

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Yep.  I don't believe in allowing myself to be intellectually dishonest just because the theists are.  Isn't that why we're fighting theism?

 

Yep. But you still need to get your rocks off! All is fair in love and war.

Don't you think that by using the fear of Hell and promise of Heaven to control people, the Religious have taken the gloves off in this fight? How do you fight any an enemy, that will do anything to win?

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Do you want to get your rocks off or get a stable long term thing?  One of my favorite sayings is, "Sometimes you can have anything you want, but you can never have everything you want."

If you lie to get laid, you're not looking for a LTR.   If you want a LTR, you need to be honest.

 

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You want to know what I honestly think?  I think you're scaring the moderate atheists off at the local UU church, or whatever these meetings are.  Once you've scared a few guys off, the telephone game goes into high gear.  Guys aren't as gossipy as women, but trust me.  If one man has called you a high strung atheist bitch, lots of guys have heard it.

I think you need a change of scenery and a few months of playing nice.

Ironically I've actually had several members of that group express interest.  I'll stop there though since I know two of them frequent these forums. ( ::waves:: ) 

I stay home on Fridays because I have one hell of a week and usually make a two hour commute on Thursday nights - getting home around 2 AM Friday morning.  Also, House used to be on Fridays - which is the only show I watch these days but it just moved to Mondays.

I actually think it's the disability though... although I'll think about what Hamby has said.

 


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If your thing is LTR

Then be straight up, I have always being honest about my atheistic views, however for one night stands and want nots, lie your ass off if that is your thing and have no intentions of ever seeing this person, make it like your in vegas baby. This goes for women too.


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I would love to do

  I would love to do Shelley, "A Whole Lotta ...."  good !

Getting Laid ?  Telling girls I AM god works for me ! Ummm, that is,  "I AM what I AM !   Godly ! "    Hey, fuck yeah,  from my place in time ..... I got imagination and toys, DESIRE to go the distance,  to boldly go .... to the outer reaches of orgasmic pleasure !       


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what's with all the atheist men out there claiming they can't get a date meanwhile I'm spending friday nights with my cat?

It's because atheists are poor. Also cranky and overeducated.

Okay, I'll level with you. It's because atheists fear cats. Cats can sense evil.

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Okay, I'll level with you. It's because atheists fear cats. Cats can sense evil.

But I love cats! They're more atheist than dogs.

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Yep. But you still need to get your rocks off! All is fair in love and war.

Don't you think that by using the fear of Hell and promise of Heaven to control people, the Religious have taken the gloves off in this fight? How do you fight any an enemy, that will do anything to win?

Ugh. Have you learned nothing from my teachings? If you want to get laid, be a jerk. Try it - it works.

Long term? That's so much more complicated.

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"Atheists girls have too high standards."

I'm a female Atheist who has no problem admitting it to anyone.  I would never date anyone who was religious.  I don't think I have particularly "high" standards, but I'm also pretty feminist, so that might give the impression of arrogance.  I think Atheist girls have a tendency to be more difficult to impress because obviously they're more cynical than Daisy May from the church choir.

You just need to find the right Atheist girl for you.  I wouldn't settle for a religious or semi-religious person if that doesn't correspond with your views, and I wouldn't try to persuade them of your opinions, because if you're going to be in a relationship with someone, shouldn't you appreciate them for who they are and what they believe?

In short, I think Atheist girls get a bad wrap for being snobby, aggressive, and even rude to men, but not all of us are like that.

 

 


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Kirsten wrote:I'm a female

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I'm a female Atheist who has no problem admitting it to anyone.  I would never date anyone who was religious.  I don't think I have particularly "high" standards, but I'm also pretty feminist, so that might give the impression of arrogance.  I think Atheist girls have a tendency to be more difficult to impress because obviously they're more cynical than Daisy May from the church choir.

You just need to find the right Atheist girl for you.  I wouldn't settle for a religious or semi-religious person if that doesn't correspond with your views, and I wouldn't try to persuade them of your opinions, because if you're going to be in a relationship with someone, shouldn't you appreciate them for who they are and what they believe?

In short, I think Atheist girls get a bad wrap for being snobby, aggressive, and even rude to men, but not all of us are like that.

 

 

I'm glad you added that last part, because that was a pretty hefty generalization! lol (OK so maybe I do come off that way to a lot of people, but come on, now...)

 

I can't say that I wouldn't date someone who was religious... I also can't say I believe it would last very long, either. Since I immediately scoff at pretty much anything I see that involves being touched by god (teehee) or encountering some spiritual epiphany, I'm pretty sure unless he was a major weenie, he'd get pissed at me pretty fast. Not to mention the reason I love my atheist boyfriend so much now is because we debate intelligently about absolutely anything and everything, and this is exciting and hot to me. If we couldn't do that and he had to argue with me that his skydaddy is real (therefore diluting his argumentative and discussion abilities in most other categories, particularly in the marriage and future department), I can't say the other amazing qualities he possesses wouldn't be enough to keep me interested, but most of the fire would be gone.

 

I don't know, I pretty much flat out state I'm an atheist to anyone who gives a crap to know enough about me to mention something in the lanes of religion and faith. If they don't like it, tough titty said the kitty when the milk went dry. I 100% agree with the being-more-difficult-to-impress aspect, because since you have to be capable of critical thought to be an atheist, you're obviously not going to be turned on by anything less than that. Daisy May is easy prey! So, to the OP, if you are still just trying to get laid, I say get your priest collar and gold crucifix chain out!!!

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I think Atheist girls have a tendency to be more difficult to impress because obviously they're more cynical than Daisy May from the church choir.

I have to disagree.  I don't think there's a ton of Christian females out there who are in utter awe of every man they see just because of biblical influence.  In my opinion, Christian females are no less picky than female atheists.  In Tudor England for example, where religion played a much more extensive role than it does in our secular society - men still jousted, wrote poetry, and played music to impress Christian ladies.  I don't think there are many Christian women who would take Joe Dirt over James Bond just because they're Christians.  A man's need to compete for and impress women is a timeless and universal thing.

The thing about Christians is that many of them are secular and their day-to-day actions aren't too different from an atheist's.  The problem is that they're selectively rational and we want a world where people (especially those in power) are consistently rational.

 


 

 

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God-Bane wrote:  In my

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  In my opinion, Christian females are no less picky than female atheists.

I think Christian women would be much easier to fool than an atheist. They got the faith thing going so you can trick them into thinking you're a good Christian guy without any evidence. Just use music, flowers, nice words, etc... just like church does to get them to believe something is true without evidence. They just need to feel good about you. You can usually convince them you are Christian by singing a song to that effect and speaking in Christian vernacular.

The problem may be getting laid without saying the magic words in the magic building(aka church wedding), depending on whether their particular version of a loving God tortures people for having premarital sex. Usually, he likes to torture atheists for premarital sex, but he conveniently forgives Christian women if they do mess up.

 

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EXC wrote:God-Bane wrote: 

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  In my opinion, Christian females are no less picky than female atheists.

I think Christian women would be much easier to fool than an atheist. They got the faith thing going so you can trick them into thinking you're a good Christian guy without any evidence. Just use music, flowers, nice words, etc... just like church does to get them to believe something is true without evidence. They just need to feel good about you. You can usually convince them you are Christian by singing a song to that effect and speaking in Christian vernacular.

The problem may be getting laid without saying the magic words in the magic building(aka church wedding), depending on whether their particular version of a loving God tortures people for having premarital sex. Usually, he likes to torture atheists for premarital sex, but he conveniently forgives Christian women if they do mess up.

 

Ehh...it depends I think.

 

If by atheist you mean, rational skeptic who happens to be atheist I'd agree.  But there are plenty of atheists who are just as bad as the worst theist when it comes to being rational.  Just like there are plenty of theists who are highly rational about most things.

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Kirsten wrote:.  I wouldn't

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.  I wouldn't settle for a religious or semi-religious person if that doesn't correspond with your views

Not even the ones whose religion dictates they facesit and fuck the brains out of their partners?

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what's with all the atheist men out there claiming they can't get a date meanwhile I'm spending friday nights with my cat?

First off, you live too far away for me. Secondly, I am missing teeth and dirt poor. Third, what's wrong with cats? I have one.

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To Brian37 & Shelleymtjoy

 

 

 

 

                       Cats are fine, even if they are not kittens you can still BBQ  them.  Has for dating;   my wife doesn't like me doing that so I realy can't help you there.

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what's with all the atheist men out there claiming they can't get a date meanwhile I'm spending friday nights with my cat?

You want to know what I honestly think?  I think you're scaring the moderate atheists off at the local UU church, or whatever these meetings are.  Once you've scared a few guys off, the telephone game goes into high gear.  Guys aren't as gossipy as women, but trust me.  If one man has called you a high strung atheist bitch, lots of guys have heard it.

I think you need a change of scenery and a few months of playing nice.

Ironically I've actually had several members of that group express interest.  I'll stop there though since I know two of them frequent these forums. ( ::waves:: ) 

I stay home on Fridays because I have one hell of a week and usually make a two hour commute on Thursday nights - getting home around 2 AM Friday morning.  Also, House used to be on Fridays - which is the only show I watch these days but it just moved to Mondays.

I actually think it's the disability though... although I'll think about what Hamby has said.

 

Shelly, just being silly making a word play on your name. "Mt Joy" oh the irony. But don't feel bad, my first two initials "BJ" well, you know what that stands for. Yet how many years has it been since I got one?

I have to thank evolution for my hands and humans inventing the internet so that I could service myself.

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But one thing I will not do is have a relationship, just to have one, much less because others think I should. I get teased and even seriously questioned about my self celibacy. Yet the people doing it have kids they cant afford and dept up to their ears. Yet I am being too pragmatic.

Ultimately you should do what you want and be with someone, because you want, and no amount of wishful thinking or forcing a situation will make it work. It either happens or it doesn't.

I don't know if I will ever date again. Been through the entire range and even married once. If I ever get lonely again to the point I want a relationship again, I will seek one. But there is nothing wrong with being single either.

I wish you all the luck in the world, and anyone you date will be lucky to have met you no matter the outcome.

 

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God-Bane wrote:Kirsten

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I think Atheist girls have a tendency to be more difficult to impress because obviously they're more cynical than Daisy May from the church choir.

I have to disagree.  I don't think there's a ton of Christian females out there who are in utter awe of every man they see just because of biblical influence.  In my opinion, Christian females are no less picky than female atheists.  In Tudor England for example, where religion played a much more extensive role than it does in our secular society - men still jousted, wrote poetry, and played music to impress Christian ladies.  I don't think there are many Christian women who would take Joe Dirt over James Bond just because they're Christians.  A man's need to compete for and impress women is a timeless and universal thing.

The thing about Christians is that many of them are secular and their day-to-day actions aren't too different from an atheist's.  The problem is that they're selectively rational and we want a world where people (especially those in power) are consistently rational.

 

 

 

 

Thats why I am not jealous of the beautiful or rich. Our attractions are not always rational, not to mention are never the same.

I am attracted to Anjolina Jolie, but isn't it funny that men would still date her if she were a waitress and not rich, but when Cher dated a pizza delivery guy, they broke up because of a stupid stigma.

I agree that there are more of one in this ratio than the other, but life is a range not an absolute and rarity does not mean it is not part of evolution.

I am happy for any human who is happy with what they have. I get upset with people that project themselves on others. And to imply that women don't compete themselves, is absurd, otherwise they wouldn't put on makeup.

There are differences between men and women physically, without a doubt. But within both sexes there still is a range and our utopias do not reflect that range.

I see nothing wrong with a woman saving a man's life. I see nothing wrong with a woman competing for a job and getting it. I see nothing wrong with a man losing a job to a woman. And I also see nothing wrong with a woman supporting a man.

Technology and pluralism has allowed our species to look for more options in diversity so the old "social norms" don't always have to apply. We now know how ridiculous it is to keep gays and lesbians from serving in our military, and I dont think any other aspect of life should be put in a box just because there are majorities and minorities.

I say, whatever works, works and let whomever be happy however it works, even if it is something we chose not to do ourselves.

I would have loved to have Xena Warrior Princess as a girlfriend in high school when the jocks picked on me. Why should I care what is between someone's legs if they are helping me out? I wouldn't shout "EWE, a gay man gave me mouth to mouth and saved my life".

I agree that there are majorities in our species, but their are also minorities that are part of that range, and we should not box ourselves in with labels or utopias that don't exist.

I don't think our species will die out if women take an equal role or even a leadership role. I think however the testosterone men suffer from, as much as it drives us to build, it also does as much damage in divisive tribalism.

There is this stupid utopia that a penis makes you invincible when the reality is that death doesn't care what sex, or sexuality you are.

Recognizing our evolution as a range and not an absolute will help us get over labels.

 

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Brian37 wrote:   There is

Brian37 wrote:

 

 

 

There is this stupid utopia that a penis makes you invincible

   

 

Are you kidding ?  Mr. Wang is not my bodyguard.  Handguns are preferred instead, thank you very much.   

 

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when the reality is that death doesn't care what sex, or sexuality you are.

 

 

    Wow, it's nice to know that when Death comes to personally snuff me out that it can still be sensitive to sexual identity issues at the same time.  What a paradox.

 

 

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I find it's rare for an atheist woman to insist on an atheist or agnostic partner. As a rule they'll plug "Not important" into partner's religion. This is Australia of course, so religion just means driving past a church on sunday and blowing your horn.

Personally, I could only date an atheist and only an hysterical one at that. If I dated a christian I'd never let up. Never, ever, ever. Even a spiritual agnostic who hommed on their yoga mat would be like a proverbial red rag to a bullock.

 

 

 

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Are you serious that

Are you serious that admitting you're an atheist sends women running for the hills?

I've never been anything but an atheist, and I've never, ever, ever had a woman have an issue with it.

And I've dated lots who were religious. Mostly Catholic, or Christian.

And they were all 'dirty' girls.

 

Never met an adult virgin, or a woman who wouldn't have sex, almost immediately.

 

As far as cats, they love me...

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Well I'm engaged to a rather

Well I'm engaged to a rather devout christian lass, fortunately she's the exception that proves the rule in regard to christians I've encountered over the years. She knew from the start of the relationship that I am an athiest that tends to froth at the tusks on occasion and it has never caused an issue. We've been living together for just over 5 years now.

 

If that little explanation has any point it would be that in relationships odd things can and do happen. Provided in some issues like religion you both agree to keep out of each others noses and abide by that then the relationship can be fantastic. It differs from person to person but my lass never preaches or even really makes it known that she is devout. We have a diverse group of friends in that dept. as well and she not once judged anybody or behaved in a manner I've come to expect of christians. I think I may have found a rare species here

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CaveTroll1066 wrote:Well I'm

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Well I'm engaged to a rather devout christian lass, fortunately she's the exception that proves the rule in regard to christians I've encountered over the years. She knew from the start of the relationship that I am an athiest that tends to froth at the tusks on occasion and it has never caused an issue. We've been living together for just over 5 years now.

 

If that little explanation has any point it would be that in relationships odd things can and do happen. Provided in some issues like religion you both agree to keep out of each others noses and abide by that then the relationship can be fantastic. It differs from person to person but my lass never preaches or even really makes it known that she is devout. We have a diverse group of friends in that dept. as well and she not once judged anybody or behaved in a manner I've come to expect of christians. I think I may have found a rare species here

How does she justify 'living in sin'? How can she call herself a christian and then have sex without making a vow to magic sky daddy to never get divorced no matter how shitty the relationship? How does she justify being 'yoked' to a non-believer?

Isn't the biblical view of women that they are the property of men and can only have sex when her father and pastor approve? How can she be so unbiblical and still consider herself Christian?

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I AM GOD AS YOU wrote:  I

I AM GOD AS YOU wrote:

  I would love to do Shelley, "A Whole Lotta ...."  good !

Getting Laid ?  Telling girls I AM god works for me ! Ummm, that is,  "I AM what I AM !   Godly ! "    Hey, fuck yeah,  from my place in time ..... I got imagination and toys, DESIRE to go the distance,  to boldly go .... to the outer reaches of orgasmic pleasure !       

 

Old fart birthday party magician at bachelorette pad is OLD FART!

 

I'll stick to suicism/suitheism. (as I am in better control of my emotions and am utilitarian... I have better reason to think I am "godlike" than most)

 

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redneF wrote:Are you serious

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Are you serious that admitting you're an atheist sends women running for the hills?

I've never been anything but an atheist, and I've never, ever, ever had a woman have an issue with it.

And I've dated lots who were religious. Mostly Catholic, or Christian.

And they were all 'dirty' girls.

 

Never met an adult virgin, or a woman who wouldn't have sex, almost immediately.

 

As far as cats, they love me...

Where the hell have you been, and was it fun? Cuz if not... GET OFF MY MONITOR NOW!

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If someone is active on a board it may be a good indicator of many things. Girls are people, human beings, and they are a different from one another  as  any  guy is from another one.  Sweeping generalities are not to help in anyone actively in a search:
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