Looking for a nice atheist girl.
Online OK guys, any advise on how to tell women you date you're an atheist? Would you lie to get laid? Ladies is this an issue with you too?
I've been dating a woman who recently split from her husband of 2 years. They were married in the catholic church because of social, religious and family pressure. So she is at the point in her life where she realizes all this pressure to conform is Bullshit.
I made jokes about religion and God and she laughed. But then I told her I didn't believe in any god at all and I think religion is BS. Her jaw just dropped when I told her this, apparently she has never heard anyone just come out and say it. We are still dating and I don't think she'd ever be religious and what I believe is not a problem, but she could always regress.
BTW, apparently the church never registered her marriage with the government. She told me the church doesn't grant divorces. I told her maybe we should go down and try to bribe the priest to give her an annulment and just delete the marriage record, so it would be like the marriage never happened. What do annulments go for these days?
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Fuck the church - if it wasn't registered it wasn't a real marriage. Even if it was, she could get a divorce from a JP and tell the church to get stuffed. I'm looking too, but I don't know about you, but it seems the only women attracted to me are Christian - the atheist women have way too high standards.
Science works whether you believe in it or not.
I would tell a girl straight away I'm atheist. It's not something to be ashamed of, and by basing a relationship on deceit you're no better than the sterotype atheist. Besides, they're gonna be way more pissed if they find out later.Why should you hide your real self for some theist girl. And if they do find out you're an atheist and get offended, according to the bible they should have made sure not to be unequally yoked in the first place. So they've also sinned.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Life is good, and people who believe in afterlife fail to understand this.- Mindcore
Well if I wanted to do that I'd become a Priest.
Maybe you should wear a T-Shirt with the picture of Jesus Fucking Christ on it.
I think that's cause atheist women aren't going to be that horny since they can have sex when and with whom they want, they don't have to please anyone but themselves, so they're harder to get. The hardcore Christian women are like a Venus Fly/man trap. Also, I don't think many woman are going to admit they are atheist, with all the anti-atheist propaganda, they think atheist woman means slut. I actually met a Christian prostitute one time, she couldn't work on Sundays or church holidays. She would confess her on the job sins, then go back to work the next day.
My own theory is that most people are closet atheists, so you got to date the Christian/Theist women then get them out of the closet. But you have to subtle about being an atheist and you may need to lie a bit in the beginning.
P.S. Have you tried any atheist dating sites?
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So if you meet women in the 18-25 age range. How many of these women really believe, and how many are just Christian because of family, social pressure and religious indoctrination. I would say the vast majority of people in this age range are not really believers, just victims of religious indoctrination. So you could be the one to help understand if they really believe or if it's Bullshit.
So I would say date them. See if you can get them to think critically or do they just follow church dogma and indoctrination. Can they think for themselves? If they can't, then dump them. With older women that have been fully indoctrinated, probably not much hope of them changing.
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I didn't say I wouldn't date them.I would just try be honest about who I am from the beginning. If they're still willing to date me after that, then sure. I'd do my best to help them with their theism, and have a date. I'm not anti-dating theists,just won't lie to get the date.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Life is good, and people who believe in afterlife fail to understand this.- Mindcore
hopefully hamby will say a few words because i think we'd all agree he's the relationship advice expert.
i tried freethinkermatch.com... maybe it was just my area or something but even though it was a sausage fest i only got two replies. one man was old enough to be my grandfather (and halfway across the country as well) and the second actually seemed great - until the date - when it came out that basically he was a christian hoping to convert me. clingy too - took a few weeks to shake him.
i tell people i'm an atheist but anyone could google me and find that out so it's not like lying would work for more than a one night stand anyway.
So will many guys stop dating you if they know you're an atheist? I thought it was only us guys that have this dilemma.
But when you meet someone on these sites, don't you chat for a long time about what you think and believe before you meet them? I hate online dating sites cause you don't really get to know the person before you meet them, then it's awkward when you meet. But, I thought maybe the atheist/freethinker sites might be OK because you could chat with the person for a while about what you think and believe before deciding to meet them. You get to know more about them than just the profile and picture.
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EXC the one thing atheists and theists have in common is the willingness to "Lie to get Laid". I'd say GO FOR IT! Leave religion as far as possible -out of it-.
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Well I am single but I don't think atheism is the reason. If anything, being outspoken has been the reason I've actually met the few people I have dated. No one has stopped dating me because I was an atheist but I can't think of anyone who didn't know I was an atheist before the date.
The atheist impostor on freethinkermatch did chat with me on line for a while but he lied... apparently he thought he could get me to accept jesus as my lord and savior if he could talk to me in person.
In general, however, I think I get to know someone better if I meet them online... you at least typically chat with someone for a week or two before meeting and IRL you really know much less - IMO. Of course there is the whole "did they send a real picture" thing but these days with myspace and whatnot people post so many pictures that it's harder to be drawn in by a senior citizen's high school graduation photo.
Yes, it's pretty amazing. I never would have thought a Christian that would lie about being a Christian to an atheist to get laid. Then what, he asks Jesus to forgive the lie so he can fornicate? I guess it takes all kinds. I don't think Shelly's date was atheist or theist just nuts.
You can't build a long term relationship on lies. So do I lie to a Christian woman just to get laid? But then if she puts out before marriage she's not really a believer right? So if I like a Christian woman, I don't tell her I'm atheist but then sleep with her and then tell her she's not really a Christian because she had sex with me before marriage. So then we could be two lying atheists in love.
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I usually try to stick with what I know to be factually true, not just anecdotally true, but I for this question, all I can do is give my best opinion. Please take what follows accordingly.
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I don't know what common law says about marriages that were performed by the church but not registered by the state. However, for state marriages, annulment is usually only available within a few days of being married.
How long do you plan to date them? If you're not planning on going long term, I honestly wouldn't bother talking about it unless she specifically asks. Atheist/theist becomes a problem when you start doing couple things like moving in together, having kids, planning vacations, etc. When it's just casual dating, it's one of those things that to me, anyway, isn't worth talking about.
As for the lying part, my personal take is that I owe it to the world to not lie about my atheism. Everyone needs to know how many of us there are, and I can't pretend to be a theist for a lay. My own reputation hinges on my atheism, so I don't want to tarnish it for something as temporary as that. I have no idea what your views on this are, so I don't really know what to recommend. People lie to get laid all the time. Men and women. If your reputation isn't important to you, I don't think lying about atheism is the worst thing you could lie about. Lying about herpes would be much worse.
Oh... one thing. If you don't have a vasectomy, better make sure you wear an extra-heavy-duty condom if you decide to lie to a theist to get laid. The last thing you want is an 18 year fight with a Christian who not only hates your lying atheist ass, but has the legal clout to drain your bank account at will.
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- H. G. Wells
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- H. G. Wells
what's with all the atheist men out there claiming they can't get a date meanwhile I'm spending friday nights with my cat?
Well that's the problem, I don't want to casually date anyone. If it's not going to work out, I want to know up front so I don't waist my time, money and energy. It's really hard to tell if it's going to be an issue. Religion is so nutty and the reasons for belief are so ridiculous that it's hard to read if it would become a problem, many people are Christian in name only.
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Yeah. That is a problem.
It's my experience that you're not going to find many atheists on dating sites. You can figure that out for yourself. Just go to a few where they let you browse for free and do a search for atheists. Maybe one in a hundred, and to be honest, they don't appear to be... um... what's that word I'm looking for..... sane.
Do you plan on having any (more?) children? It's my opinion that religion is a lot less important if there aren't going to be kids. If you're done with the procreating, get yourself snipped. It's easy. It only hurts for a couple of days. You can't tell the difference afterward. It's a LOT cheaper than child support.
If you're not done making babies, you have to be honest up front.
If you were to date a theist long term, would her church attendance be a problem for you? What about saying grace before meals, etc? If you're ok with that kind of thing, tell her that you're an atheist, but that you're cool with her practicing her religion *within reason* and then be specific about what you mean. If she's really into you, she'll probably be ok with that. I think that if you can basically keep your mouth shut about religion, and not make "stupid Christian" jokes, you could probably date a moderate theist. It's all about how much bullshit you can tolerate if she's cool in a lot of other areas.
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- H. G. Wells
You want to know what I honestly think? I think you're scaring the moderate atheists off at the local UU church, or whatever these meetings are. Once you've scared a few guys off, the telephone game goes into high gear. Guys aren't as gossipy as women, but trust me. If one man has called you a high strung atheist bitch, lots of guys have heard it.
I think you need a change of scenery and a few months of playing nice.
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- H. G. Wells
I know what the bible says, it's pretty clear premarital sex is a really bad sin and these moderates all know it. These moderates never tell which parts they believe and which not and why, intellectually dishonest. So a woman that says she "believes" the bible yet has sex outside marriage is lying just as I would be if I said I believed in God to get laid. We'd both be lying to get laid.
But you're right, relationships are so poisioned by religion, that it's best to avoid the topic until absolutely necessary.
Stop global whining.
Well why aren't you out and about on Friday nights networking, meeting people, in the pubs, gyms, etc... instead of with your cat?
Stop global whining.
Yep. I don't believe in allowing myself to be intellectually dishonest just because the theists are. Isn't that why we're fighting theism?
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- H. G. Wells
Yep. But you still need to get your rocks off! All is fair in love and war.
Don't you think that by using the fear of Hell and promise of Heaven to control people, the Religious have taken the gloves off in this fight? How do you fight any an enemy, that will do anything to win?
Stop global whining.
Do you want to get your rocks off or get a stable long term thing? One of my favorite sayings is, "Sometimes you can have anything you want, but you can never have everything you want."
If you lie to get laid, you're not looking for a LTR. If you want a LTR, you need to be honest.
Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- H. G. Wells
Ironically I've actually had several members of that group express interest. I'll stop there though since I know two of them frequent these forums. ( ::waves:: )
I stay home on Fridays because I have one hell of a week and usually make a two hour commute on Thursday nights - getting home around 2 AM Friday morning. Also, House used to be on Fridays - which is the only show I watch these days but it just moved to Mondays.
I actually think it's the disability though... although I'll think about what Hamby has said.
Then be straight up, I have always being honest about my atheistic views, however for one night stands and want nots, lie your ass off if that is your thing and have no intentions of ever seeing this person, make it like your in vegas baby. This goes for women too.
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I would love to do Shelley, "A Whole Lotta ...." good !
Getting Laid ? Telling girls I AM god works for me ! Ummm, that is, "I AM what I AM ! Godly ! "
Hey, fuck yeah, from my place in time ..... I got imagination and toys, DESIRE to go the distance, to boldly go .... to the outer reaches of orgasmic pleasure ! 
It's because atheists are poor. Also cranky and overeducated.
Okay, I'll level with you. It's because atheists fear cats. Cats can sense evil.
Will: no gyration without funkstification.
But I love cats! They're more atheist than dogs.
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
Life is good, and people who believe in afterlife fail to understand this.- Mindcore