Is not I feel very sorry for you atheist, It is I am trully concern and have great love for you
Offline By no means I’m here to insult no ones intelligence or to be condescending. I appreciate the Love and Dedication of other fellow theist to reach souls yet have failed to demonstrate such affections in their semantics.
I have read several threads from other members and it amasses me the great deal of information is out there. My only concern is that some of it is filled with half truths. For example, I have to accept that man has changed the bible many times in order to shape it to the current era and human desires of the time. For that same reason we, Christians, should refrain from using any other bible that doesn’t derive from the Masoretic, Text http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoretic_Text. No! This text did not fall from the sky nor was found in the form of a golden tablet, yet was inspired by God Himself.
I know it is hard to grasp the idea; how can an imaginary being inspire someone? The only way to know so is by experiencing it oneself. The bible says to test the things of God. This Great Book has many promises that many take for granted! For example 2Chronicles 14: “ If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land” (God) How about Mathew 7:7: “ Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?” (God) How about something a little harder to do yet never fails, Malachi 3:10 ” Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”
The Lord of hosts says PROVE ME!!!! Many people took the blasphemy challenge; I dare you to take the PROMISES CHALLENGE. Remember that there is a qualifier for each of the promises, and don’t for get: “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.” Matt 6:7.
Remember these are just few of the promises. I would love to read your testimony any time. If you have any questions concerning GOD. HIT ME UP!! Ill do my best to clear things up.
Hope to hear soon from you GOD Bless!!!
Anyone can make a promise. I will become a theist the moment God/Yaweh/Allah delivers on his supernatural promises.
Actually latimerf I feel sorry for you. OP's like this are basically like bloody chum is to a group of sharks. As soon as this thread has been examined for a short time then the atheists ( many of whom are former Christians ) will circle in and systematically rip your arguments to shreds.
Have a nice time during your stay here.
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me." Jesus, (Luke 19:27)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8uln_drowning-pool-tear-away_music
Except your own.
It's quite an easy concept to grasp, actually. Receiving inspiration from a muse and worshipping an imaginary being are two completely different things.
Shame this doesn't work in reality, as shown here.
Many of us come from theistic lifestyles. We believed, we prayed, we asked, we didn't receive. We looked closer, we found the irrationality of it all. Come back when you've got something worthwhile to contribute.
Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
F- for grammar.
This is basically worthless. And posting another thread just linking here in the same forum is stupid. Basically spamming.
Science works whether you believe in it or not.
Are you the same fellow who had the misfortune to send this gem here?
I feel very sorry for all atheists [YOU RESPOND]
I was wondering when, or if, you would show up again. Bravo.
No, your grammar would preclude you from doing so.
True virtue is life under the direction of reason
-Baruch de Spinoza
It is the mark of a reasoned man that he can without problem separate what he can deduce as true from that which he wishes to be true -Me
I already have 22 versions of the Bible to pick from plus this one which is really the 1917 JPS edition of the Hebrew Bible in English.
If you'd like to use this to base your Christian belief on, consider this verse:
Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
You should immediately notice that there is nothing in here about a virgin conceiving, which could be a problem for you in Matthew 1:23 which relies on the bad translation. There are other fun citations in the original Hebrew that discredit your belief. Psalms 74:13-14 is the Jewish version of the Ba'al cycle involving Yamm, Ba'al, Litan and the Leviathan or twisty serpent. Isaiah 27:1 contains more of this ancient legend also found in Babylon as Marduk crushing Tiamat and Kingru. This helps to show Judaism has a similar basis to other Canaanite religions.
Then you have in Psalms 86:8, "There is none like unto Thee among the gods, O Lord, and there are no works like Thine."
So if you really want to use this version you may want to consider becoming a Jew, as you are going to destroy some of Christian basis by using it.
I personally use XENA Warrior Princess for my imaginary role model.
Actually I couldn't find this in my versions of 2 Chronicles 14 in either JPS or KJV, so you have a bad citation. My versions deal with King Asa.
As an ex-christian with years of training there is little you can say or specifcally quote from the Bible to sway me. This is true generally for the majority of the atheists on this site. Appealing to your holy books does nothing to further your cause. The Bible is not proof of anything other than Israel and Judah once existed, there were many stories of violence, war, pretty fables, and myths. Some kings probably were real, some were not. You claim the book was inspired by god, I claim its a poor work of Sci-Fi. I haven't even given you 1/10 of a per cent of the contradictions and ridiculous writing.
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Lets see if I can translate that into modern English. The true believer gives 10% of thier income so that the prist can eat meat and in return I get blessings but nothing tangible. That is one hell of reason to be an athiest and the priests can get a real job.
jeffrick
The only time the Lord's promises are delivered is when we fulfill the qualifier.
I am not the author of the previous thread. I just thought the earlier speaker failed to deliver his/her message in a meaningful way. No, I am not spamming.
Yes my gramar and spelling sucks, English is my second language. I have been working on it for a while now. Im pleased to know that at least I can get my message across.
The blessings refered to are to be tangible also. For exmple MONEY! Just test it! Thats why I mentioned it was a hard one. Not to many people are willing to give a 10% of their income, therefore, once given as an offering it defines a true statement of trust and loyalty to the Lord. The bible mentions many places where blessings have been describe as simple as to have an offspring or a tenfold of the offering.
So im guessing no one else realises this is a double negative?... which means he is actually here to insult intelligences, and be condescending...
"You are like a delightful random cruelty generator, master, poisoning all you touch. You are a testament to all organic meatbags everywhere." HK-47
Thanks for your encouraging words! really! I know what I have plunged myself into, maybe not! If at least I get to plant one seed; my purpose would be fulfilled
So, if I made $20,000 the first year, I'd tithe 10% ($2,000), returning $20,000.
That would mean the next year I'd have to tithe $4,000. But I'd get back $40,000.
Then $80,000, then $160,000, then $320,000, then $640,000, then $1,280,000, then $2,560,000...
Is that how it works, really? Does this explain televangelists?
"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me." --Emo Philips
YOU GOT THE IDEA!!! now, is it always going to be money? NO! If not many would be millionaire! remember, blessings!!! About the televangelist... many are just false prophets and impostors who defile the edification of others... starting with Poppof!
What tangible returns on this supposed investment is there, then, besides money? Who can I contact to verify this? Is there a list of people I can contact who have seen these tenfold returns on their tithing?
and the big question:
How do you explain all those folks who give their tithe and still suffer extreme poverty, strife, or starvation? Is it the "not enough faith" cop-out for them?
"When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me." --Emo Philips
Just because christians may refuse to live like the rest of the world doesn't mean they are not in the world. Bad things do happen to christians. As for that family, it is sad they lost a daughter due their neglect. There are established laws we all have to follow. for example, my son was on the virge of death at two and half years old! Does he deserve it? Was I a bad christian? All I know is a prayed and praised God for the moments He gave me with my son. All the Dr. though he was going to die, but he didn't. A supernatural recovery took place in less than five days. There were many people praying for him, maybe in the hundred. All I know is my prayers were answered.
Tangible, how about a baby from a couple who can't conceive. Maeby being delivered from an addiction. As for Myself Im not focused in the tangible things, people tend to grow greedy and cold as they get more and more. Neither I look at it as if it was a 401k or gambling. I have to say since I started tithing, my financial dificulties staterd to disappear until I became debt free. Who can you cantac? Myself, a local church... go in there and ask someone who faithfully tithe (not everyone does).
About the poor... I cant measure their faith nor I can tell if the truthfully tithe, or can we? Also I have to remember Matthew 5:23
Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
I wondered what the eleventh century sounded like.
"We don't have to justify the things that don't make any sense anymore."
~former Scientologist Greg Barnes
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Tell us about your experiences while standing on the promises talked on "Is not I feel very sorry for you atheist, It is I am trully concern and have great love for you" Forum.
Remember that all things are earned with patience and honest dedication!
{MOD EDIT: It didn't need its own thread.}
or... you know... theivery, extortion, murder, and violence
edit; oh! and looting! i forgot looting!
edit2; and rape... damn im forgetful today >.<
"You are like a delightful random cruelty generator, master, poisoning all you touch. You are a testament to all organic meatbags everywhere." HK-47
Many of us fulfilled the qualifiers many times over without answer.
This is where you or another theist comes in with "God answers all prayers with Yes, No, or Wait" and I bring up the Milk Jug video on www.godisimaginary.com and other places
The point of the Cannanites seeing the same thing was it was based in their mythology as well as Babylonian.
Since you believe every word in your holy book, look forward to your eyes being opened. I will get back to you later for a discussion on the murky history contained in your book. I have to work occassionally so I'll get back to you
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.
One of the qualifiers is faith. I have to say that there are many prayers I prayed that were not made with full faith, others Im glad they were not answered. As for the milk jug, the statistics were made without someone actually praying? Did the person honestly believed it was going to happen, the same way the woman in Mark did? Thats something we dont know and is more of a gut check instead of saying I prayed for the entire world to be rid of cancer. If that was the case, what if someone was praying to the milk jug at the same time; that just defeats the puropose, now you just created a Milk Jug believer!
Like I said earlier, just because I refuse to be like the world as much as I humanly can, doesnt mean Im not in it! World things will still happen to me. As a matter of fact worldly things tend to happen more during Mondays, day after a magnificent day of praise and worship. Worldly things are the tools our enemy utilizes in order to disturb and destroy. Looki at Job, now that is true faith.
Now when it is time to hunt for a church one should lok for the one that is prayer filled and allows the Holy Spirit to inspire and move within
I cant deny there has been much violence so called "in the name of the Lord" much of it has been in reality for reasons other than that. In fact the bible does saya that in the later days people would grow more violent and cold hearted (paraphrased).