Why is Mary shown to be white?

What scientific proof? As to people supposedly "cured" - ever hear of the placebo effect?

Is the belief in God based on Faith or on "proof"?

Your last paragraph hit the nail on the head.

Sincerely look for anything long enough and you'll find it.

All those people were looking for miracles so hard that anything even slightly out of the norm for them would have been seen as a divine intervention.

Watch this video if you dare for REAL proof of miracles being done today with the greatest teacher on Earth...Sathya Sai Baba. Watch this video if you have the GUTS! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJEAHixITEc&feature=related

The number of Sathya Sai Baba adherents is estimated sometimes as around 6 million, and followers cite "50 to 100 million".^[9]

He asserted that he is an avatar of God in whom all names and forms ascribed by man to God are manifest. Praise be to Sathya Sai Baba for he can materialize ash out of nothing, a miracle, which proves there is a GOD and that Sathya Sai Baba's teachings on the subject are correct. See, you were right Sierra, there is proof, only you just found the wrong proof, which is very "dark sided" indeed.

Do you really think the photo you posted in the other sub-forum is not a darkroom trick? Why is she appearing like her depictions from medieval and renaissance paintings? She's wearing the wrong sort of clothing for the period and area she supposedly lived in, appears to be the wrong "race" (white instead of middle eastern)... what sense is all that?

You have a God given responsibility to teach your child the truth. You can deny it for yourself, but you have no right to deny the truth to your child. Hope and pray that you are the father God is calling you to be. Just prayed for you!

Yes, have heard of it. Hard to apply it to a crippled person or blind person though. Never heard of someone able to think their bones straight again or repair permanent eye damage by the placebo effect.

Nice try though....

I would refer to my sarcastic response from your almost identical post.

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/13235

 The proof of God you are eliciting is a highly subjective apparition wherein those will see what they want to see. If I believe in a giant, white robed Popsicle with a spherical hat made of ice cream that levitates, goes around stealing people's socks when they are not looking, and only shows up in pictures near large domed structures, this would be "proof" of that. I would think you would think that is just as ridiculous as the so-called proof you have just postulated here of a Judeo-Christian based belief system. As Sam Harris alludes to,  there have been people claiming to do miracles, people seeing all sorts of deities, saints, aliens, famous people, and religious figures in pictures, grilled cheese sandwiches, and driftwood. Does that mean that if someone in the Mediterranean sees Zeus in a piece of wood, Zeus exists? If I see Krishna in my grilled cheese does that prove his existence? If I see a cloud in the sky that resembles a hammer and lightning bolt, should I drop to my knees in reverence of Thor? What you presented are non sequitir claims(light trick on a picture of a figure resembling a woman=Mary exists, Jesus exists, God Exists). You are stuck in one false belief system and will look for whatever ridiculous anecdotal evidence you can find without looking at any of the same type of evidence that other people of different faiths and belief systems have given as proof for their Gods over the last few millenia. That is why I wrote my sarcastic Sathya Sai Baba response. He is a man who has convinced millions of people he can perform miracles in your own lifetime and yet you will give his miracles no credence because they do not fall into the confines of your system and are therefore not worth checking into. I hope that was rational enough for you.

Come home to Jesus in the Eucharist. I will ask our Blessed Mother to intercede for you. How do you live without receiving Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament? Come home. Pray a Hail Mary today.

Crucifiction wasn't through the palm, it was through the wrist.

I would say a large majority of the people here were religious, Christian in fact, who researched our own side(Christianity) and saw that it was riddled with holes, errors, moral horrors, evil gods, demons, and no real evidence for the existence of God. Until you can open your eyes and take a serious look into your own faith and belief about what you think you "know" about God, Jesus, and  the bible, your proselytizing and ill-conceived responses will achieve nothing more than what a child does when they put their hands over their eyes and says, " I can't see you." If you want to remain ignorant about your preconceived notions without learning about any conflicting viewpoints you are free to do that, just get off your high horse while doing so. Just projected thoughts to an imaginary friend with no possibility of impacting your life...because I care.

 Is that they capture light, well the film needs light to produce an image, so yes an light that is cause this effect, a reflection of sorts, or what not, would and will be captured on film, now this is still not scientific fact, police are not scientists. Another thing, have you ever heard of ghosts being captured on film, same thing, just light tricks on the film. That's one thing you have to keep in mind, when talking about stuff like this.

I can't go back, son, because I never had faith. It looked like BS then, looks like it now.

Ever hear of Photoshop? By the way your prayer wouldn't help even if you would be right - I took the Blasphemy challenge and have blasphemed the Holy Spirit numerous times (fuck the holy spirit up the ass with a 3 foot long black wooden dildo with no lube - see I did it again!) Therefore I am beyond redemption (Matthew 12:32.) Anyway I am never going to believe that nonsese.

Please check out the site and read some other people's posts before you keep unleashing these retreaded fallacies.

JillSwift, You are quickly becoming one of my favorite new posters.

Sierra, I was raised Southern Baptist.  I accepted Jesus as my personal saviour when I was 7.  I firmly believed in god and jesus and all that horseshit well into my 20s.  I've got my own KJV bible with a leather cover and my name embossed on the cover in gold.

Pssst.  It's all a bunch of ancient scribblings about nothing but fiction. 

I did a LOT of rationalizing to reconcile my religion with reality growing up.  When you start being honest with yourself and really seek the truth you will start to see religion for what it is.  Complete BS.  I'm sorry.  There is no god that humanity knows of.  Most likely when we die, we are gone forever.  Dust in the wind.  You will never meet back up with your beloved dead friends and relatives.

Either keep rationalizing and lieing to yourself or be honest.  Really honest.  Seek truth not comfort.  Then you will begin to understand.  I've tried your side of the coin.  Why don't you try mine?

Why would God need to give us "help"? Is Faith not enough?

You might want to read the passage from your Bible I noted. Jesus said wheover blasphemes the Holy Spirit will NEVER be forgiven - in this life or the next. Those of us who took the Blasphemy Challenge did it to show we are 100% sure that the Christian god is NOT real. I am more sure of that than anything.

I know the verse. I am not denying it. I am simply saying that only God can judge you, not me, or anyone else. Therefore, I say to all who have blasphemed, it is never too late to cry out to God's love and mercy.

Here is the truth about about God's mercy revealed by Jesus Himself to

Saint Faustina not too long ago. Read and research this for yourself. Maybe I should have started with this.

http://thedivinemercy.org/message/

Actually I can judge you, a Court Judge can judge you for sure, society can judge you, history can judge you, god cannot judge you, god is non existent, a creation of man, from the imagination of man, to explain things he cannot explain.

Not really, I never believed in god, and since those experiences, in case you haven't bothered to do ANY researching in the medical field of it all, most people at the moment of death, there is a mass surge of activity in the brain, which can and does explain the sense of euphoria, and viewing of the light at the end of the tunnel. Yes there are scientific reasons as to why one would have these experiences in NDE's.

Not true. If they are out to get me, then it is not a conspiracy is it? Or, paranoia?

Haha. Just kidding.

My documents and information are reaching some people. Perhaps none that have responded, except Jill. She will come back to her Catholic Faith, I hope and pray.

Here is one more piece of evidence for the record:

http://www.theworkofgod.org/saints/Lives/Bernardt.htm

She died about 150 years ago. Many other saints are incorruptibles also.

yet the catholic church will not allow independent scientists to test them, as well there have been other cases such as these from people of other religious and non religious beliefs. Again you are merely trying to make your god real. Nothing new, yet you still will dismiss any and all arguments and evidence against your god.