I'm a believer in God. Can you please help me fix it? [TROLLVILLE]
Offline I'm a believer in God. Can you please help fix it?
Offline Well that's what atheism generally is.
That's what they say.
So are you a deist?
No, I am a pantheist/panentheist.
Nice way to endear people to you.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you.
Offline No one can exorcise you of your God conviction, you do. You are the only one that can change your beliefs. Everyone comes to their own realization that what they were taught, told, or indoctrinated with cannot be possibly be true. One may have to accept that the Truth isn't out there and the reality of the past practiced religions were based on myths or legends. If you believe in there must be a God because look at the wonderful complex Universe, I would suggest you read Carl Sagan.
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Offline As much as I'd like to help, I don't have much knowledge of pantheism. If you really want to learn,look around the site and you'll find lots of info.If you're just looking for a argument, hold on and I'm sure one of the more experienced and knowledgeable posters will show up sometime.
Loc'n'Load
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
This is getting redudnant. My patience with the unteachable[atheists] is limited.
Offline No one can exorcise you of your God conviction, you do.
Then this forum is making a false advertisement. The motto says:
Believe in God? We can fix that.
You are the only one that can change your beliefs. Everyone comes to their own realization that what they were taught, told, or indoctrinated with cannot be possibly be true. One may have to accept that the Truth isn't out there and the reality of the past practiced religions were based on myths or legends. If you believe in there must be a God because look at the wonderful complex Universe, I would suggest you read Carl Sagan.
I believe in the Truth. That's why I have a God-belief. The atheistic worldview appears to me as irrational and absurd. How can a worldview be true when it denies truth itself?
Offline As much as I'd like to help, I don't have much knowledge of pantheism. If you really want to learn,look around the site and you'll find lots of info.If you're just looking for a argument, hold on and I'm sure one of the more experienced and knowledgeable posters will show up sometime.
Okay. I'll wait. But my guess is that I'll be waiting for a long time.
Offline I believe in the Truth. That's why I have a God-belief. The atheistic worldview appears to me as irrational and absurd. How can a worldview be true when it denies truth itself?
There is no reason to believe your truth is any more true than thousands of others out there. Perhaps you could explain exactly what it is you believe,if you'll excuse the ignorance.
Loc'n'Load
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
This is getting redudnant. My patience with the unteachable[atheists] is limited.
Offline There is no reason to believe your truth is any more true than thousands of others out there. Perhaps you could explain exactly what it is you believe,if you'll excuse the ignorance.
I believe that absolute truth can be experientially known.
Offline I just know you're not going to be one of those people so consumed by their own ego that they believe everyone should understand or conceptualize "god" exactly as they do.
You want an answer...then define your god !
The atheistic worldview appears to me as irrational and absurd.
Also, explain that.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
George Orwell
Offline I believe in the Truth. That's why I have a God-belief. The atheistic worldview appears to me as irrational and absurd. How can a worldview be true when it denies truth itself?
What truth do you believe?
I accept the truth. The truth I see is the Universe is complex. We are still learning about it. I don't have a basis to accept that there is a god of any type that made it. I require proof to accept that there is even a god that made the universe or he is the universe.
My comment that you have to be the one to accept there is no god means only that there is no magic spell to do it. After you research, study, and question realization may come upon you. God of any type requires proof that you accept. If you have that proof to your own rationalization, then why are you here?
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Offline I get the feeling the original poster is dripping with sarcasm and just pulling your legs. Are you trying to waste people's time?
It is said the great ones catch teardrops in their hands.
Offline I just know you're not going to be one of those people so consumed by their own ego that they believe everyone should understand or conceptualize "god" exactly as they do.You want an answer...then define your god !
God = Universal Mind/Spirit
Quote:The atheistic worldview appears to me as irrational and absurd.Also, explain that.
Sure...in the worldview of atheistic materialism, there is no ulitimate purpose. As such, life is ultimately meaningless and absurd. An absurd worldview is an irrational one by definition.
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I believe that absolute truth can be experientially known.
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Offline I get the feeling the original poster is dripping with sarcasm and just pulling your legs. Are you trying to waste people's time?
Unless you're capable of making a rational argument, you'll be wasting both of our time.
Offline the Moon isn't made of green cheese,
Really?
*walks away kicking an old rusty pop can*
In the beginning the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move ~Douglas Adams
Offline Paisley wrote:That would be fantastic, however we may not live long enough for that to occur. Technology and knowledge advances on an exponential basis. In 500 years we have learned the Earth is not the center of the Universe, the Moon isn't made of green cheese, and there are other planets in the habitable zone in our own area of the galaxy. As more knowledge accumulates and science progresses more of the Universe will be understood.
I believe that absolute truth can be experientially known.
I think the atheistic worldview is a little more pessimistic than that. According to your worldview, all that awaits you is eternal death and knowing the truth is not even possible in theory.
Offline AmericanIdle wrote:I just know you're not going to be one of those people so consumed by their own ego that they believe everyone should understand or conceptualize "god" exactly as they do.You want an answer...then define your god !
God = Universal Mind/Spirit
AmericanIdle wrote:Quote:The atheistic worldview appears to me as irrational and absurd.Also, explain that.
Sure...in the worldview of atheistic materialism, there is no ulitimate purpose. As such, life is ultimately meaningless and absurd. An absurd worldview is an irrational one by definition.
1.) That's not a definition.
2.) Life has the meaning you give to it and no superstitious placebo is needed to play the role of substitute.
3.) The only meaningless life I can think of is one that learns to be satisfied w/ lying to oneself.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
George Orwell
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Sure...in the worldview of atheistic materialism, there is no ulitimate purpose. As such, life is ultimately meaningless and absurd. An absurd worldview is an irrational one by definition.
I have a purpose as defined by my own self-interest, just as you do. I seek knowledge as part of my purpose to know all there is to know, and to learn all there is to learn. As to if there is anything more, you'll find out soon enough. I don't see life as ultimately meaningless at all. Life to me has much to offer and much to understand.
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
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I think the atheistic worldview is a little more pessimistic than that. According to your worldview, all that awaits you is eternal death and knowing the truth is not even possible in theory.
So you're saying you don't like atheism because it's pessimistic? Firstly,atheists generally have happy fulfilling lives.We got one chance so we try enjoy it. You were dead for millenia before your birth,so I don't see why people get so hung up on 'eternal death.' It may be true that we may never know the truth about god/s, but given the small chance of any one of the thousands of possibilities being right,I'd say we're closer to the truth.
Loc'n'Load
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible
This is getting redudnant. My patience with the unteachable[atheists] is limited.
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I think the atheistic worldview is a little more pessimistic than that. According to your worldview, all that awaits you is eternal death and knowing the truth is not even possible in theory.
So in your view as a pantheist what awaits you with an uncaring god of the Universe? Or are you into the all encompassing type of pantheism??
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Offline 1.) That's not a definition.
I define God as Universal Mind. Unless you have a rational argument why I shouldn't believe that Universal Mind constitutes ultimate reality, then I guess you're not going to be successful in ridding me of my God-belief.
2.) Life has the meaning you give to it and no superstitious placebo is needed to play the role of substitute.
In the atheistic worldview, life does not have an ultimate purpose. To argue otherwise is make an argument for some form of theism.
3.) The only meaningless life I can think of is one that learns to be satisfied w/ lying to oneself.
If you were intellectually honest, then you would admit that an atheist's life must ultimately be meaninglness and absurd.
Offline I have a purpose as defined by my own self-interest, just as you do. I seek knowledge as part of my purpose to know all there is to know, and to learn all there is to learn. As to if there is anything more, you'll find out soon enough. I don't see life as ultimately meaningless at all. Life to me has much to offer and much to understand.
In the worldview of atheistic materialism, life is ultimately without purpose and meaning. To suggest otherwise is to make a theistic argument. I am simply taking atheism to its logical conclusion. I expect you to do the same. If not, then you have no right to say that you're rational.
Offline So in your view as a pantheist what awaits you with an uncaring god of the Universe? Or are you into the all encompassing type of pantheism?
Self-knowledge, Truth, Peace, Joy, Eternal life.
Do you have something better to offer me?
Offline AmericanIdle wrote:1.) That's not a definition.I define God as Universal Mind. Unless you have a rational argument why I shouldn't believe that Universal Mind constitutes ultimate reality, then I guess you're not going to be successful in ridding me of my God-belief.
AmericanIdle wrote:2.) Life has the meaning you give to it and no superstitious placebo is needed to play the role of substitute.In the atheistic worldview, life does not have an ultimate purpose. To argue otherwise is make an argument for some form of theism.
AmericanIdle wrote:3.) The only meaningless life I can think of is one that learns to be satisfied w/ lying to oneself.If you were intellectually honest, then you would admit that an atheist's life must ultimately be meaninglness and absurd.
So far the ONLY thing that's meaningless and absurd is the point that you're failing to make.
If "Universal Mind" is the only explanation you're going to give in this so far pointless thread, I couldn't care less what you believe, but ridding the world of such vague nonsense has to qualify as a higher purpose doesn't it ?
And.............I'm in before the cat !!
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
George Orwell
Offline A post should reflect the thread, so here's a vacuous, grating and pointless one.
No
I didn't think so.
Yes
Some more info would be nice.I'm assuming you mean the christian god?
I thought love was
Only true in fairy tales
Meant for someone else
But not for me
Love was out to get to me
That's the way it seems
Disappointment haunted
All my dreams
And then I saw her face
Now I'm a believer
Not a trace
Of doubt in my mind
I'm in love
I'm a believer
I couldn't leave her
If I tried
Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
No, your assumption would be false. I will assume that your atheism is a rejection of all God-concepts. If you're not prepared to exorcise me of my conviction in a universal mind greater than my own, then I suggest you visit another thread.
As written by Neil Diamond and performed 1st by The Monkees in 1966
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Yeah, I like the Monkees. Now take the "Last Train to Clarksville" because I still have my God-belief. Hopefully, the "Rational Reponse Squad" can muster better respones than this.
Well that's what atheism generally is.
So are you a deist?
Nice way to endear people to you.
Loc'n'Load
Psalm 14:1 "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God"-From a 1763 misprinted edition of the bible