Fishdontwalk have we decreated a creationist site?
On March 14th this year in the ninth episode of The Rational Response Squad radio show we hosted a creationist on our show named Bill Morgan who owns a website known as Fishdontwalk.com. We brought Bill Morgan on the show because while in a discussion on a myspace Christian group someone posed Bills fishdontwalk.com as an example of proof that evolution doesn't ocurr and that the answer to the problem of life is "god did it." With a brief look at Bills site we saw gaping holes and flaws, and knew right away that there was a ton of material to debunk. Yellow Number Five (Mike) got our science geeks on the case to debunk Fishdontwalk right away.
Here are some threads that examine and refute fishdontwalk.com:
At the completion of recording with Bill Morgan, owner and creator of Fishdontwalk.com we realized weren't able to touch on most of what we wanted to hit, so we asked Bill if he would join us again, he agreed. In the weeks that followed we tried to get Bill to do just that, reappear on our show. In a few emails exchanged Bill committed to several recording dates and backed out of them before we could record. Fish dont walk committed to record on June 3rd and then pulled out in an email on May 21st, as seen below. I don't have record of the email, but I believe I then committed to record on June 10th as he suggested it was a good day, and on June 9th (confirmation call) and 10th we called him to record and received no answer.
I didn't make a big deal about the no show, as I really wanted to get a second beat down on tape (yeah I said beat down, because that's what it was) and asked about recording on June 17, Bill Morgan told me they were having a soccer party (world cup season I think). He then (as you can see) asked me what other dates worked, I responded with some dates of availability and never received a return email. I wrote him back several weeks later asking what happened, and I never received a return email.
It may seem obvious to you why he didn't come back on the show, because we so easily pointed out the flaws in his site (kudos to Mike and Bob and the other geeks involved). Keep in mind though, that Bill Morgan exhibited a very high level of confidence in the show, he portrayed himself as a man who wasn't moved by anything we said, and that he was confident he could take virtually anyone in a debate. Yes, Bill lost, but he was incapable of admitting it, going as far as to give the appearance of the exact opposite. Today I was stunned to find another development in this saga. Fishdontwalk.com is not up and running. It is redirecting patrons to the host of the site, check it out for yourself: www.Fishdontwalk.com.
Of course it could just be a minor error, although I doubt it. Bill Morgan owns the name until 2008, so why is the site down? Likely, the site will be back up within hours, and I'll look silly. Of course, if the site is back up, the question remains, why has Bill Morgan dodged us? After doing a little research, and popping "Bill Morgan" into google, I found a site from another gentlemen giving a similar experience of his dealings with Bill. Apparently he dialogued with Bill about creationism back in the late 90's only to watch Bill run away from the scene, change his email address, and go into hiding for about a year. Here is a description from the efforts of Dwise1:
A definite pattern soon emerged in our correspondence. Even though at first Bill was very talkative, when I demonstrated my knowledge of the creation/evolution issue, he suddenly became very reticent and tried to disengage as quickly and gracefully as possible. When that failed, he would just plain refuse to respond to most of my questions, would respond with one or two words lacking any context, or else would respond with a standard creationist "unanswerable" question. In contrast, I would answer most of his questions. All of his questions were meant to stump me, to stop or impede the discussion, and to prepare me for proselytization, whereas all of my questions were meant to be answerable, to elicit information, and to further the discussion. Indeed, Bill would usually pose one of his questions in an attempt to change the subject away from his having to support a claim. Towards the end, when I presented him with statistics of answered and unanswered questions, Bill had the audacity to claim that he had answered "100%" of my questions and that I had answered none of his, which anyone can plainly see is false. As usual, when presented with the facts and asked to support his own claim, Bill "Mr. 100%" Morgan ignored the question.
Now allow me to make a scathing logical deduction, not an assumption... a logical deduction. Bill Morgan is brainwashed and is predisposed to believing in God. He is unable and unwilling to accept the fact that he is wrong even when repeatedly being shown how untenable his beliefs are. He is the stereotypical example of close minded and his coping mechanism is to leave the scene of the crime to give his brain time to rejuvenate itself in a sea of irrationality. In his time away from being proven wrong he likely finds solace in things that prove him right, he finds solace in a community of people that are just as brainwashed as him, and he reinstills his beliefs, and thus the neverending cycle of a life wasted on faith and myth continues. While it appears that Bill has a pattern, and we're not the only ones to have shred his arguments. The Rational Response Squad will gladly take partial credit for decreating this creationist site. If Bill pops back in the future, he is still more than welcome to come back on our show and will be treated just as respectfully as he was treated in his first appearance. As a celebration we are offering his appearance on our show as a free download. Get it while it's hot. (right click save as)