Eras of humanity

digitalbeachbum's picture

I've been wondering about what era we are in with humanity. Such as they have had the "industrial age" or the "renaissance age" or the "golden age"

I look at what is happening now in the world and I see massive corruption. It permeates through society. Police, politicians, military and in the public.

I wonder if they will call this the age of corruption, when leaders and people in power were so consumed by their desires to fulfill their own needs that they were willing to kill or destroy other lives.

I understand that this has been going on previously, since mankind appeared on the timeline, but it seems to be on a massive scale.

Cryptocurrency, hacking information, health, war, investments, insurance, automobiles, the list seems endless.

People seem more self centered now, more egotistical.

Am I cynical?

 

Beyond Saving's picture

digitalbeachbum wrote:People

digitalbeachbum wrote:

People seem more self centered now, more egotistical.

Am I cynical?

No you are self-centered and egotistical as demonstrated by your absurd belief that corruption is more significant today than it has been in the past. You are fortunate to be born in a time and place where the greatest personal impact of corruption you will likely ever experience is the loss of a fraction of your income. You will almost certainly never face real starvation, persecution or real poverty and the most likely human to kill you is... you.

 

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X

digitalbeachbum's picture

Beyond Saving wrote:

Beyond Saving wrote:

digitalbeachbum wrote:

People seem more self centered now, more egotistical.

Am I cynical?

No you are self-centered and egotistical as demonstrated by your absurd belief that corruption is more significant today than it has been in the past. You are fortunate to be born in a time and place where the greatest personal impact of corruption you will likely ever experience is the loss of a fraction of your income. You will almost certainly never face real starvation, persecution or real poverty and the most likely human to kill you is... you.

What's absurd is your audacity to assume what my life has been like or what I've experienced.

My opinion is that I see more corruption today than I did 10, 20 or 30 years ago. Maybe I didn't see it back then and maybe it is the same now than it was then, but I believe there is more to be gained and there is more profit to be made nwo than it was then.

digitalbeachbum's picture

This phase we are in could

This phase we are in could also be the era of misinformation. The Internet, for all its good, has ushered in the new criminal. New crimes. A new way to spread lies.

It sort of reminds me of the Romans building highways. Great for a while when trading and moving was needed, but when the enemy came to attack it allowed them to move quickly and efficiently against them.

A double edged sword.

Beyond Saving's picture

digitalbeachbum wrote:What's

digitalbeachbum wrote:

What's absurd is your audacity to assume what my life has been like or what I've experienced.

Not particularly audacious considering I've read a good portion of the 4800+ posts you've made on this site over the last decade. Enough to have a pretty good idea that whatever horrors life has thrown your way, your life is pretty comfortable compared to the vast majority of humans throughout history. It is certainly enough to know that you are not cowering in a cave somewhere hiding from a corrupt government that is going to track you down and do unspeakable things to you. You don't live you day-to-day life in fear of corruption, you speak openly about your atheism (something that got many people killed throughout history), you live in Florida in at least modestly comfortable accomodations, you have a career, a family and enough extra money to waste on ridiculous things like bitcoins. Clearly, whatever impact corruption has had on your life it has had a small impact compared to what it has had on many throughout history who were tortured, starved, enslaved, outcast from society and lived brutal short lives.

If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X

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Beyond Saving

Beyond Saving wrote:

digitalbeachbum wrote:

What's absurd is your audacity to assume what my life has been like or what I've experienced.

Not particularly audacious considering I've read a good portion of the 4800+ posts you've made on this site over the last decade. Enough to have a pretty good idea that whatever horrors life has thrown your way, your life is pretty comfortable compared to the vast majority of humans throughout history. It is certainly enough to know that you are not cowering in a cave somewhere hiding from a corrupt government that is going to track you down and do unspeakable things to you. You don't live you day-to-day life in fear of corruption, you speak openly about your atheism (something that got many people killed throughout history), you live in Florida in at least modestly comfortable accomodations, you have a career, a family and enough extra money to waste on ridiculous things like bitcoins. Clearly, whatever impact corruption has had on your life it has had a small impact compared to what it has had on many throughout history who were tortured, starved, enslaved, outcast from society and lived brutal short lives.

You have created a strawman. My OP isn't what you make it.

Vastet's picture

I think noone has

I think noone has experienced enough history to separate ages of history through anything but technological and social development, as far as they can be determined anyway.

It is possibly true that there is more corruption than ever before, but it's more likely that it's simply more visible. I find it hard to even imagine how the christian governments of 1400, to pick a year and culture semi-randomly, could be less corrupt than anything found today.

Monarchies are by definition more prone to corruption than any form of democracy because the power is centralized as opposed to split and shared.

Two individuals may agree on many issues and work together towards those issues, but no two individuals will ever agree on every issue. The more bases of power there are, the harder it becomes for one party to achieve everything he or she or they want as other parties stand in opposition.

When there is no counterbalance at all, when one individual or party holds all the power absolutely and indefinitely, that's when corruption can peak.

Proud Canadian, Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.

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Vastet wrote:I think noone

Vastet wrote:
I think noone has experienced enough history to separate ages of history through anything but technological and social development, as far as they can be determined anyway. It is possibly true that there is more corruption than ever before, but it's more likely that it's simply more visible. I find it hard to even imagine how the christian governments of 1400, to pick a year and culture semi-randomly, could be less corrupt than anything found today. Monarchies are by definition more prone to corruption than any form of democracy because the power is centralized as opposed to split and shared. Two individuals may agree on many issues and work together towards those issues, but no two individuals will ever agree on every issue. The more bases of power there are, the harder it becomes for one party to achieve everything he or she or they want as other parties stand in opposition. When there is no counterbalance at all, when one individual or party holds all the power absolutely and indefinitely, that's when corruption can peak.

I was thinking the same thing, about the corruption being more visible today because of the technology. In 1400 it was easy to hide the corruption from outside areas of your domain. However, word of mouth news, for lack of a better term, seemed to function well enough to get the news around to others. I do not believe this form of news is highly accurate as when I was in high school we did an experiment with telling a story from one person to another. After 25 people the story drastically changed.

 

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I'm wondering if what we are

I'm wondering if what we are witnessing is an escalation of class warfare between the wealthy and the middle class. There are recent articles I have read in the Boston Globe, The New Yorker, The Washington Post and Forbes which each point to a form of class warfare with the very wealthy manipulating the laws and the regulations to their benefit.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2014/05/02/the-real-class-warfare-in-america-today/#143bab1104d4

While this has been an issue in previous administrations spanning decades, it appears that in the last thirty years it has progressively gotten worse.

Vastet's picture

The infinite cycle. It has

The infinite cycle. It has been increasing since before I was born. It'll take a real war (the kind not seen since WW2) or a flukey extreme leftist wave to bring things back to parity.

Proud Canadian, Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.

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Vastet wrote:The infinite

Vastet wrote:
The infinite cycle. It has been increasing since before I was born. It'll take a real war (the kind not seen since WW2) or a flukey extreme leftist wave to bring things back to parity.

I'm not sure WW2 balanced anything out, did it? The wealthy got wealthy off WW2, some of them selling to the Germans while they were doing everything except fight Americans.

What exactly did WW2 do?

Vastet's picture

You went from being an

You went from being an insular nation to an empire because of WW2. Rich and poor both faced the draft. Manufacturing and the draft were THE priority. It brought a lot of parity. Any war that is an existencial threat and forces a socialist system on a nation like WW2 did where resources face full government control via rationing forces people to view each other more valuably and curtails the rich from acquiring profits at the cost of employee wages and perks..
I'm not saying it fully balances the scales, nothing except a permanent socialism could. But it does reduce the gap.

Proud Canadian, Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.

digitalbeachbum's picture

Vastet wrote:You went from

Vastet wrote:
You went from being an insular nation to an empire because of WW2. Rich and poor both faced the draft. Manufacturing and the draft were THE priority. It brought a lot of parity. Any war that is an existencial threat and forces a socialist system on a nation like WW2 did where resources face full government control via rationing forces people to view each other more valuably and curtails the rich from acquiring profits at the cost of employee wages and perks.. I'm not saying it fully balances the scales, nothing except a permanent socialism could. But it does reduce the gap.

Interesting.