Damn Right I'm Angry: Part Two

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The Jewish Aphilosopher   (Yeah - the A was intentional - figure it out)


Conflating Ayn Rand's objectivist philosophy, of which I am not a fan, with atheism before the actual article even begins is just the tip of the iceberg. His depiction of atheists is nothing short of bigoted and disgusting. He's "The Jewish Philosopher"? I can't even find the philosophy under the pile of steaming shit that he excreted onto his site. I'm telling you this up front only because you're going to need those hip-high waders and possibly protection for your monitor before reading further.

He starts off with the claim that we cannot define what we mean by god when we say we don't believe in one. I have yet to see a theist who can give a coherent definition of their god, and they do believe in it. Projection, anybody? He claims that we don't mind the concept of a creator (which we do, mainly because it has no basis in factual data), but that we're terrified by the ever-looming punishment awaiting us from his loving god, and so we just pretend he doesn't exist. Let's turn this around-I propose that it is you doing the pretending. There is not a shred of evidence to support your ridiculous beliefs in some anthropomorphic voyeur with sadistic tendencies, but you are so terrified of the fact that one day you and everyone you love will simply cease to be. So, you just imagine that you're immortal so you don't have face the truth about life-there is no higher purpose other than what you assign to your life; there is no afterlife and you'll never see grandma again; sometimes life just sucks so learn to deal with it.

Atheists are also "invariably highly selfish people" and it's "impossible to find a well-documented case of an atheist who was kind, honest, sober, and sexually responsible." Of course, he also tries to covertly pull out the communism card as well. Where the fuck does this guy get off? What kind of statistical data can you present for your claims, Stein? We are all mean, lying, drunken nymphomaniacs, right? Well, chew on this for a minute-you are a bigoted asshole who can only validate his own beliefs by caricaturing those of others. One would expect more from a descendent of a group that once faced the same kind of prejudiced rhetoric.

He believes that science has disproven atheism with quantum mechanics and the Big Bang. First of all, the only way to disprove atheism is to prove theism. That certainly didn't happen with either of those scientific endeavors. He says that we "apparently don't depend on any evidence." Again, can anybody see how theists tend to project the shortcomings of their belief onto us? We don't need evidence to suspend belief in the supernatural! It is up to you to present the evidence that proves the existence of your imaginary friend! Apparently, Stein is even worse with science than he is with philosophy, and that is impressive.

Stein should familiarize himself with a recent Barna study that I referenced in a previous blog post before he makes the claim that there is a "linkage between pornography and atheism" that is evident in demographic studies and the fact that "The expansion of the Internet has made pornography more widely available and at the same time atheism seems to be becoming more popular." The difference in porn consumption by christians (there are no studies to my knowledge that focus on Jews) is negligible at best. This is another survey on christians and pornography that refutes his point. The only linkage between atheism and pornography is that we don't need to pretend to not have sexual urges, and we don't need to repent after we watch it.

He reiterates his hypothesis about our denial of god in this way:

Many people, especially young males leading secure lives in developed countries, feel no need for the comfort of religion. Furthermore, they are attracted to a very selfish, self-indulgent way of life, an attraction perhaps encouraged by viewing pornography. Therefore, in order to remove any feelings of guilt, they simply deny the existence of any divine judgment or afterlife.

That's not a non sequitor or anything. (/sarcasm) The excoriation continues with the piece de resistance-my favorite quote in the whole article. I'll let you savor it.

Atheism is not a philosophy; it is a symptom of narcissism and hedonism. Calling atheism a religion is like calling alcoholism a religion. It's a bad choice, a moral failing, perhaps a disease.

Now, for all of the criticism that we take for making the claim that theism should be considered a mental disorder, at least in some cases, we make the exception for the average person with the disclaimer that belief in god is still delusional, it just may not be causing that person any hardship at the present time. Here, we have a blanket statement on the moral character of every atheist. Not only does he clearly have no evidence to support his claim, but his false analogy is fallacious nonsense. Not to mention ignorant, asinine, and absolutely disgusting. If his assertion is true, why are less atheists in prison than our population would warrant? Why are atheistic societies healthier and have less violence and crime? When was the last time you saw an atheist suicide bomber, Stein?

His bigoted moronicism leads him to the conclusion that we deny reality, science confirms religion, and for the icing on the cake-atheism is akin to an addiction. If this is the product of "loving homes of an Orthodox Jewish community," I'll pass. The "brutal violence going on in secular neighborhoods" is an assertion unsupported by any factual evidence and apparently just pulled out of his ass along with the rest of this post. Have you ever been to Israel, Stein? I hear it's really peaceful there.

I try to limit my responses to more intellectual criticism and avoid this type of argument. Even D'Souza has never elicited a response like this one, but these two men are the personification of ignorant bigotry. Their vitriolic rhetoric exemplifies the stigma that atheists in this society still face, but ultimately, it says much more about their character than it does ours. And yet, they wonder why we seem angry.

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I know most of you are regular users, although I visit from time to time to read the material posted here, I'd rather not get into stupid arguments with any of you. You all go back and forth, the Theists on this site sometimes being somewhat reasonable, and the Atheists believing it's in their right to be unreasonable simply because they believe Theists are unreasonable in the first place. Good, keep thinking that if you want, but then what are you trying to ultimately prove? If your trying to prove that religion is unreasonable by being unreasonable yourselves, then it results in no good, just a laugh here and there.


"Believe in God? We can fix that"


I'd love to have an actual debate with some of you, on reasonable terms, as I'm a student and hungry to learn more. I'm a Theist myself, and have no personal doubt about God, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't understand others viewpoints, am I correct?


Anyways, maybe you guys love to be ironic, balloon headed facades behind a computer. This article shows that this user in question has the ability to write a good article, but chooses only to point the finger in a different direction by agreeing that your a bunch of hateful people, yet your disgusted by Theists actions. It's in your given right to feel however you wish, but that doesn't mean everybody else will agree with your hate for hate arguments. If you feels dispewed, must you spew back? The biggest trouble I have with you bunch of people is you use evolutionism and theories such as the "Big Bang" to prove that your correct, however you have no proof as to where any of <i>that</i> came from. I'm not saying you should drop the argument as it has no cause, as I can see in your eyes you feel the same about religion, but until research goes further, or back, then we can only produce educated guesses. All you'll end up doing is go back to the basic argument of atheist beliefs vs. theist beliefs. You preach them though like their solid proof, like... a bunch of religious nuts!


I'm sure I will get some form of smart-ass remark from this. However, I hope this finds you all in good health.

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jayjc08 wrote:I'd love to

jayjc08 wrote:

I'd love to have an actual debate with some of you, on reasonable terms, as I'm a student and hungry to learn more. I'm a Theist myself, and have no personal doubt about God, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't understand others viewpoints, am I correct?

Register and post a forum topic like "Reasonable Theism". You'll probably get attacked, but you can ignore that and have a good discussion with some of the more reasonable members. Debate runs basically along these lines, usually:

Theist: I'm totally right

Atheist: Are not. Prove it.

Theist: Stuff.

Atheist: That's ridiculous!


So if you're going to get into a debate, it won't go any farther, really. Rational discourse about immaterial entities tends to break down at the point of them being immaterial. If you'd like to go at the philosophical angle, a lot of it has been explored (I'm still waiting for Marty to give me his Christian-God-is-the-only-way philisophical smackdown).

Yes, many people who respond here can be unpleasant and off-putting. But that's true of people in general, so don't let it discourage you.

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Jacob Stein wrote:A Maryland

Jacob Stein wrote:

A Maryland rabbi Conservative not Orthodox.

But a Rabbi nonetheless.

You guys are so lame.

Freudian Projection.


Atheist, Logically-minded, Curious about the world around me.