Submitted by razorphreak on March 28, 2008 - 3:43pm.
Renshia wrote:
One thing I do not understand, and admit it was a huge part in my departure from christianity is where are all the signs and wonders that god is said to be capable of?
I'm a bit curious but why do you think you needed to see something which you'd call "miraculous" that is beyond what you see everyday?
Renshia wrote:
For me I actively fight against religion because the entire structure is based on this god that in the past is claimed to have been extremely active in messing around in humanities affairs. Basically getting his point across to us dullards, as in old testament stuff. Even active in more modern times.. with new testament miracles. But then ever since man has developed the ability to group information together.. Poof no sign of god…
Hmmm...guess it would depend on what you call "proof." Of course, there is no point I can make under a forum post that would convenience you otherwise anyway so I won't go there.
Renshia wrote:
Where are the blind healed?.... Where are the lame that walk?…. where are the hungry fed with just a couple fish….
Why is the world is the UN food agency worried about shortages. There should be at least a couple believers that could pass a few loaves of bread and a couple of fish around and feed them surely?
Does everyone have to yell up and down "Look at what the miracle I did today!" in order for you to know it was done? What I'm saying here is people help others daily but are not needing to have credit given to them for their actions. If I were to go to a place that has needy and managed to cook up a meal for hundreds, all alone, could that not be a "miracle" for those who need? Should I then go to the news and ask them to report it as such?
Renshia wrote:
I spent a number of years devotely following a chritsian faith… I never seen a miracle that did not have an obvious explanation. I never did see the blind healed. Hell never even met anyone that has or at least could prove they have.
So where is your god, what is he doing taking a holiday on Bazor?
Really if people don’t use there common sense and see religion for the fruit it doesn't bear, then i think they really do deserve to be slaves.
Millions saw on a Tuesday morning airplanes slam into some buildings in New York and yet some who "saw it" have concluded that it was a missile or smaller plane that caused some or all of the damage. What you see vs. what I see are perceptions and when you see someone saved by an EMT, you call daily life, I call a miracle that we were given the ability to learn how to do such a thing and a miracle that it could be done at that moment for that person to live.
There is a joke that reminds me of your post and I'm sure you've heard it before but I'll put it here anyway for you to know what is on my mind after I read your words:
There is this lady in a town in the central part of the states. She lived near the Mississippi River during the time when there was a big flood. Anyway as the flood waters began to rise, she asked God to perform a miracle and rescue her from the floods. A police officer drove by as she was praying on her front porch telling her that if she didn't have a way out, he could take her to safety. She refused saying, "God will save me." As the waters rose, she was now forced onto the roof of her house. As she continued to pray, a man in a boat came by asking her to come with him. She repeated, "God will save me!" Finally, as the waters became fierce, a helicopter was flying by and attempted to save her. She again refused their help by repeating "God will save me" over and over again. She "wakes up" in heaven, realizing that she drowned in the flood. As she came before God, she asked him, "Lord, why did you not save me?" God replied, "I sent a cop, a boat, and a helicopter, what more did you want?"
I hope the point of the joke in relation to your post isn't lost.
My eyes have seen all this, my ears have heard and understood it. What you know, I also know; I am not inferior to you. But I desire to speak to the Almighty and to argue my case with God. You, however, smear me with lies...(Job 13)
Renshia wrote:One thing I do
I'm a bit curious but why do you think you needed to see something which you'd call "miraculous" that is beyond what you see everyday?
Hmmm...guess it would depend on what you call "proof." Of course, there is no point I can make under a forum post that would convenience you otherwise anyway so I won't go there.
Does everyone have to yell up and down "Look at what the miracle I did today!" in order for you to know it was done? What I'm saying here is people help others daily but are not needing to have credit given to them for their actions. If I were to go to a place that has needy and managed to cook up a meal for hundreds, all alone, could that not be a "miracle" for those who need? Should I then go to the news and ask them to report it as such?
Millions saw on a Tuesday morning airplanes slam into some buildings in New York and yet some who "saw it" have concluded that it was a missile or smaller plane that caused some or all of the damage. What you see vs. what I see are perceptions and when you see someone saved by an EMT, you call daily life, I call a miracle that we were given the ability to learn how to do such a thing and a miracle that it could be done at that moment for that person to live.
There is a joke that reminds me of your post and I'm sure you've heard it before but I'll put it here anyway for you to know what is on my mind after I read your words:
There is this lady in a town in the central part of the states. She lived near the Mississippi River during the time when there was a big flood. Anyway as the flood waters began to rise, she asked God to perform a miracle and rescue her from the floods. A police officer drove by as she was praying on her front porch telling her that if she didn't have a way out, he could take her to safety. She refused saying, "God will save me." As the waters rose, she was now forced onto the roof of her house. As she continued to pray, a man in a boat came by asking her to come with him. She repeated, "God will save me!" Finally, as the waters became fierce, a helicopter was flying by and attempted to save her. She again refused their help by repeating "God will save me" over and over again. She "wakes up" in heaven, realizing that she drowned in the flood. As she came before God, she asked him, "Lord, why did you not save me?" God replied, "I sent a cop, a boat, and a helicopter, what more did you want?"
I hope the point of the joke in relation to your post isn't lost.
My eyes have seen all this, my ears have heard and understood it. What you know, I also know; I am not inferior to you. But I desire to speak to the Almighty and to argue my case with God. You, however, smear me with lies...(Job 13)