Submitted by Rook_Hawkins on October 6, 2007 - 1:18am.
This is something Gates should not be faulted for. Carrier himself (and even I) were once very strong historicists (Carrier states he used to be a militant historicist!). It is easy to get lost in the claims of scholars who try to paint a historical Jesus (such as some of the Jesus Seminar), and even more so when one is not well versed on the matter. It's a fact that one doesn't need a lot of evidence to assume ones historicity in antiquity. However, in the case of Jesus, not only does he fit all four criteria for a very strong Argument from Silence, but specifically there is a better explanation for the origins of Christianity as a mystery cult basked in revelatory ideology, rather then an actual historical person. Of course, my book will be quite extensive in proving this point.
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Please help me get my resources so I can finish my book more quickly.
"You act ridiculously," said Ion, "to doubt everything. For my part, I should like to ask you what you say to those who free possessed men from their terrors by exorcising the spirits so manifestly. I need not discuss this: everyone knows about the Syrian from Palestine, the adept in it, how many he takes in hand who fall down in the light of the moon and roll their eyes and fill their mouths with foam; nevertheless, he restores them to health and sends them away normal in mind, delivering them from their straits for a large fee. When he stands beside them as they lie there and asks : 'Whence came you into his body?' the patient himself is silent, but the spirit answers in Greek or in the language of whatever foreign country he comes from, telling how and whence he entered into the man; whereupon, by adjuring the spirit and if he does not obey, threatening him, he drives him out. Indeed, I actually saw one coming out, black and smoky in color." "It is nothing much," I remarked," for you, Ion, to see that kind of sight, when even the 'forms' that the father of your school, Plato, points out are plain to you, a hazy object of vision to the rest of us, whose eyes are weak." - Lucian, Lover of Lies
This is something Gates
This is something Gates should not be faulted for. Carrier himself (and even I) were once very strong historicists (Carrier states he used to be a militant historicist!). It is easy to get lost in the claims of scholars who try to paint a historical Jesus (such as some of the Jesus Seminar), and even more so when one is not well versed on the matter. It's a fact that one doesn't need a lot of evidence to assume ones historicity in antiquity. However, in the case of Jesus, not only does he fit all four criteria for a very strong Argument from Silence, but specifically there is a better explanation for the origins of Christianity as a mystery cult basked in revelatory ideology, rather then an actual historical person. Of course, my book will be quite extensive in proving this point.
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Please help me get my resources so I can finish my book more quickly.
My wish list.
Et suppositio nil ponit in esse.
"You act ridiculously," said Ion, "to doubt everything. For my part, I should like to ask you what you say to those who free possessed men from their terrors by exorcising the spirits so manifestly. I need not discuss this: everyone knows about the Syrian from Palestine, the adept in it, how many he takes in hand who fall down in the light of the moon and roll their eyes and fill their mouths with foam; nevertheless, he restores them to health and sends them away normal in mind, delivering them from their straits for a large fee. When he stands beside them as they lie there and asks : 'Whence came you into his body?' the patient himself is silent, but the spirit answers in Greek or in the language of whatever foreign country he comes from, telling how and whence he entered into the man; whereupon, by adjuring the spirit and if he does not obey, threatening him, he drives him out. Indeed, I actually saw one coming out, black and smoky in color." "It is nothing much," I remarked," for you, Ion, to see that kind of sight, when even the 'forms' that the father of your school, Plato, points out are plain to you, a hazy object of vision to the rest of us, whose eyes are weak." - Lucian, Lover of Lies