Christianity isn't Irrational

I thought it prudent to make a comment concerning the continued discussion of the supposed irrationality of Christianity, especially as there is soon to be a broadcast about it. The title of this entry is an oversimplification, created on purpose to catch interest, for the topic in question has far more horrific entailments than basic irrationality.

In discussing the claims of Christianity, one must keep in mind the type of idea being discussed, as, though many might dispute this, not all ideas are the same. To put it another way, some ideas are by definition axiomatic and as such are not capable of being rationally discussed. Now, this is not to say that the claims of Christianity are axiomatic, despite the notable claims of philosophers/apologists Carl F.H. Henry and Gordon Clark. Rather, this simply points out that the ideas of Christianity are far different than those of evolution, general relativity, laissez-faire capitalism, marxism, and psychoanalysis, to name a few.

The difference in the ideas goes to the heart of the debate concerning the rationality of Christianity. The efficacy of rationality depends upon the ability of an idea being debatable. The claims of Christianity are not, by definition. When Gordon Clark says the theological hubris of Christianity is axiomatic, he is declaring them persona non grata to rational discussion, at least in so far as unbelievers are concerned. For those of you who have some knowledge of Christian sects, this goes far beyond Calvinistic claims and centers upon the foundational intangibility of absolutist theism.

There is a necessity to be found in why revelation is offered as a viable alternative, in fact in most apologists it is superior, to reason. This necessity is required due to the metaphysical grounding that Christianity and all other thestic claims have assumed. The ground is to be found in its earliest form in Plato, though most point to Descartes and his dualism as the particularly modern adaptation that is being used. This cannot be overstated. The rabid subjectivism, the superiority of mind over matter, and the consequent inability to discuss mental claims in an objective fashion, are all results of Cartesian dualism. If this is not understood and dealt with, then any discussion had with a believer is frought with problems.

It is the wise man who agrees with the Chinese strategist Sun Tzu, who cautions warriors to know thy enemy or face the possibility of going to battle with a ghost. For let me make this clear, we are in a battle. The claims of Christianity and other such ideas of an absolutist nature have far more dire consequences than simply being irrational. For the nature of Christianity is that of being non-rational, not only as has been noted in its ideological framework subject only to the dictates of revelation from an unknowable Being, but also in its practical outplay. To be irrational is curable and even in many circumstances comical, but to be non-rational is to deny a fundamental quality of being human and thus to embark on a path of disunity with the universe. This disunity is, as Sam Harris points out, fundamental to the destrution and death that Islam currently and christianity in the past, has taken. But of more immediate and prevelant concern is the vast number of individuals that, having taken this ideology to heart, seem incapable of thinking clearly on so many subjects, resulting in the continued ridiculous debate over evolution being taught in the schools, the anti-gay movement, and the general abhorrent attitude to science. The number of personal relationships destroyed and/or hurt by the inability of adherents of absolutism to admit to even being capable of being wrong and the disconnectedness with their fellow human beings remains a far worse atrocity than all the bombs dropped on Baghdad, for unlike those victims, the silent pain of a society wracked by ideological rigidity creates a lifeless living instead of an immediate death.

We must understand what is being dealt with and call it for what it is, a systematic and deliberate attempt to undermine what it means to be human. Nothing less will bring the point home, nothing less will do justice to the seriousness of the worldwide calamity that is among us and approaching.

Every one of your relationships to man and to nature must be a definite expression of your real, individual life corresponding to the object of your will. -Erich Fromm

Sapient's picture

Well you got me to read it

Well you got me to read it based on the title, good job. Eye-wink
I'm glad it took the path it did, I was waiting for you to build the case that Christianity is rational, I'm glad you didn't or I might've had to be here all morning. The good news is that if we deem Christianity "non-rational" we can still be named the Rational Response Squad. Changing the signage would've costed a fortune. Sticking out tongue

Nice blog entry!

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I one hundred precent agree.

I one hundred precent agree. The consequences of christianity, well theism in general, are dire. It is important to understand what it is we are dealing with here....theism is much more than an irrational concept; it is a fundamental flaw with humanity. To understand the reasons why theists are so ardent in their theism is a must in order to find a way to fight it.

Good blog. Enjoyed it.

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Rational Christianity

One of the main problems of modern atheistic psychology is that it doesn't give precise explanation of human subconsciousness. Atheistic science hides the fact that human subconsciousness consists of separate, absolutely independent 'mind conductors' (something like meta-persons = good or evil spirits) which can move through the network of human minds. These meta-persons can cause different undesirable side-effects for the state of mind or for the state of body. Psychology hides this fact, proposing false theories.

From the New Testament (Bible):

"...the unclean spirit, when he is gone out of the man, passeth through waterless places, seeking rest, and findeth it not. Then he saith, I will return into my house whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more evil than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man becometh worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this evil generation."

Human body handles several additional independent meta-persons (spirits) with different mind algorithms. They can be attracted using synchronous event triggers inside the group of people with the same concept. It is something like rational reprogramming. Attracting rational, positive, good meta-persons (spirits), that will help in work and in family. However, meta-persons (spirits) must be ignored. It is a big sin to contact them, ask them, pray to them etc.

All minds are connected into one network. For example, I saw how gypsies read human memory.

God does really exist, and the system to achieve social balance is really very complex. The right model of social behaviour is a key. If someone does not believe in God, or doesn't want to stick to the model of correct social behaviour, then another concept will be proposed to such a person, for example atheistic concept of eternal death and instincts, aliens and ufos, scientology, sectarian brain-washing, different trash through hollywood movies etc. Every individual has a free will to choose the rules of the game. But Christianity can really help to improve life and even to obtain eternal life.

I had a strange opinion about religious people when I was atheist. I thought that there's no good mathematicians, programmers, logical thinkers among them etc.

But now I would say the following: We are pawns in a big reality-show 'chess game'. All atheistic scientists are also just pawns. They conduct their experiments, but the results of some of these experiments sometimes can be carefully forged by meta-persons (spirits). This is a very strange world from the point view of atheist.

You can try to combine different ancient teachings, create deductive model, and you will find a lot of interesting things about the Big Game on the Earth and the Rules of social balance. Irrational meta-persons (evil spirits) do everything in order to avoid deep analysis and discussion of such themes as subconsciousness. It is hard to prove that meta-persons (spirits) does exist (under the pressure of the network of meta-persons (spirits) of atheists). It is almost impossible...

Christianity is a very good religion. Very often the source of many unexplained addictions are coming from spirits (meta-creatures) or from more primitive entities. Atheistic psychology is a false, pseudo-science.

Religion helps to put life in balance and to protect soul and body.

Atheists don't ask questions. They believe to scientists, that are often fooled by meta-persons (spirits).

Atheists avoid discussion of centralized network of human subconsciousness. You can try to test them -- and you will see their weird reaction.

Atheistic psychology is the 'religion' of atheists.

Scientists can't learn the system that controls these scientists. Because the system is smarter. They even do not know that the system exists.

Christianity is a very rational concept.

Anyone can choose the world without God, and their meta-persons (spirits) will maximally adapt the atheistic environment for them inside the network.

It can't be *proven* that it exist in the environment of high atheistic mental pressure that we have today, but it also can't be *proven* that it doesn't exist. It is the greatest mystery. However, it is obvious that parapsychology failed. Christianity explains atheistic parapsychology in a more rational way.

There's no enemies among people.

All wars are prepared by groups of irrational meta-persons (evil spirits) inside the network (I think you know their old-fashioned christian name - Satan, but today we think that this is just a fairy-tale (influence of hollywood and sci-fi writers), and as a result have all this senseless wars and local social conflicts).

Science will never ask this question publicly, because of high pressure of irrational meta-persons (evil spirits). Atheistic scientists are pawns, zombie in the hands of their irrational puppeteers. As an experiment, you can ask them this question about the "network of human subconsciousnesses", and you will see their very strange behaviour/speech induced by irrational meta-persons (evil spirits).

What is the basis of any proof? We can use only pure logic for creating *abstract* models and for probability evaluation. Algorithms of probability evaluation are controlled by meta-persons (spirits).

Atheists have NO logical arguments against "network of human subconsciousnesses", but only offensive strange speech.

War has no logical sense. Real logical sense: intellectual solutions of problems.

Many irrational meta-creatures (demons) are probably coming from the old evolutional sub-network of subconsciousnesses of animals. They are smart. These irrational meta-persons (evil spirits) and animal-like meta-creatures often like when people listen to their irrational fake thoughts, obey them, they like when people behave like animals or create scientific theories to behave like animals. In this way people avoid human network rules (religion). Actually, this allows them to do their irrational predatory stuff everywhere in the world.

Spirits have ideal technologies: quantum copy/creation of any material objects.

Based on New Testament from Bible (Christianity): concurrent participants of the system are controlled by different groups of virtual participants. The subconsciousness of human being can be controlled by more than 7-8 independent meta-creatures (good or evil spirits). It is impossible to prove it (in the conditions of total control of the network of different spirits and limitations of individual subconsciousnesses), but it is also impossible to logically deny it.

Christian people know that if you follow the rules, then life is improving significantly. There's invisible hand of God, that controls all these groups of spirits.

Remember magically irritating words for atheists: "a network of human subconsciousnesses".

There's no enemies among people, because all people are connected using the network of human subconsciousnesses.

Irrationality is coming from meta-creatures of animals, predators (evil animal-like spirits).

Christianity is the path to rationality and truth.

ronin-dog's picture

"Rational Christian" you

"Rational Christian" you have just proved that you are irrational. There are so many problems with your ideas that I can't even be bothered...

I think the men with white coats may come for you one day.

Zen-atheist wielding Occam's katana.

Jesus said, "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division." - Luke 12:51

(((( Echo,  LeftofLarry 

(((( Echo,  LeftofLarry   

"Theism is much more than an irrational concept; it is a fundamental flaw with humanity. To understand the reasons why theists are so ardent in their theism is a must in order to find a way to fight it. "

Yeah, Love (understand) the enemy, erase Dogma.   Amen 

Rational Christian wrote:One

Rational Christian wrote:
One of the main problems of modern atheistic psychology is that it doesn't give precise explanation of human subconsciousness. Atheistic science hides the fact that human subconsciousness consists of separate, absolutely independent 'mind conductors' (something like meta-persons = good or evil spirits) which can move through the network of human minds. These meta-persons can cause different undesirable side-effects for the state of mind or for the state of body. Psychology hides this fact, proposing false theories. From the New Testament (Bible): "...the unclean spirit, when he is gone out of the man, passeth through waterless places, seeking rest, and findeth it not. Then he saith, I will return into my house whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more evil than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man becometh worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this evil generation." Human body handles several additional independent meta-persons (spirits) with different mind algorithms. They can be attracted using synchronous event triggers inside the group of people with the same concept. It is something like rational reprogramming. Attracting rational, positive, good meta-persons (spirits), that will help in work and in family. However, meta-persons (spirits) must be ignored. It is a big sin to contact them, ask them, pray to them etc. All minds are connected into one network. For example, I saw how gypsies read human memory. God does really exist, and the system to achieve social balance is really very complex. The right model of social behaviour is a key. If someone does not believe in God, or doesn't want to stick to the model of correct social behaviour, then another concept will be proposed to such a person, for example atheistic concept of eternal death and instincts, aliens and ufos, scientology, sectarian brain-washing, different trash through hollywood movies etc. Every individual has a free will to choose the rules of the game. But Christianity can really help to improve life and even to obtain eternal life. I had a strange opinion about religious people when I was atheist. I thought that there's no good mathematicians, programmers, logical thinkers among them etc. But now I would say the following: We are pawns in a big reality-show 'chess game'. All atheistic scientists are also just pawns. They conduct their experiments, but the results of some of these experiments sometimes can be carefully forged by meta-persons (spirits). This is a very strange world from the point view of atheist. You can try to combine different ancient teachings, create deductive model, and you will find a lot of interesting things about the Big Game on the Earth and the Rules of social balance. Irrational meta-persons (evil spirits) do everything in order to avoid deep analysis and discussion of such themes as subconsciousness. It is hard to prove that meta-persons (spirits) does exist (under the pressure of the network of meta-persons (spirits) of atheists). It is almost impossible... Christianity is a very good religion. Very often the source of many unexplained addictions are coming from spirits (meta-creatures) or from more primitive entities. Atheistic psychology is a false, pseudo-science. Religion helps to put life in balance and to protect soul and body. Atheists don't ask questions. They believe to scientists, that are often fooled by meta-persons (spirits). Atheists avoid discussion of centralized network of human subconsciousness. You can try to test them -- and you will see their weird reaction. Atheistic psychology is the 'religion' of atheists. Scientists can't learn the system that controls these scientists. Because the system is smarter. They even do not know that the system exists. Christianity is a very rational concept. Anyone can choose the world without God, and their meta-persons (spirits) will maximally adapt the atheistic environment for them inside the network. It can't be *proven* that it exist in the environment of high atheistic mental pressure that we have today, but it also can't be *proven* that it doesn't exist. It is the greatest mystery. However, it is obvious that parapsychology failed. Christianity explains atheistic parapsychology in a more rational way. There's no enemies among people. All wars are prepared by groups of irrational meta-persons (evil spirits) inside the network (I think you know their old-fashioned christian name - Satan, but today we think that this is just a fairy-tale (influence of hollywood and sci-fi writers), and as a result have all this senseless wars and local social conflicts). Science will never ask this question publicly, because of high pressure of irrational meta-persons (evil spirits). Atheistic scientists are pawns, zombie in the hands of their irrational puppeteers. As an experiment, you can ask them this question about the "network of human subconsciousnesses", and you will see their very strange behaviour/speech induced by irrational meta-persons (evil spirits). What is the basis of any proof? We can use only pure logic for creating *abstract* models and for probability evaluation. Algorithms of probability evaluation are controlled by meta-persons (spirits). Atheists have NO logical arguments against "network of human subconsciousnesses", but only offensive strange speech. War has no logical sense. Real logical sense: intellectual solutions of problems. Many irrational meta-creatures (demons) are probably coming from the old evolutional sub-network of subconsciousnesses of animals. They are smart. These irrational meta-persons (evil spirits) and animal-like meta-creatures often like when people listen to their irrational fake thoughts, obey them, they like when people behave like animals or create scientific theories to behave like animals. In this way people avoid human network rules (religion). Actually, this allows them to do their irrational predatory stuff everywhere in the world. Spirits have ideal technologies: quantum copy/creation of any material objects. Based on New Testament from Bible (Christianity): concurrent participants of the system are controlled by different groups of virtual participants. The subconsciousness of human being can be controlled by more than 7-8 independent meta-creatures (good or evil spirits). It is impossible to prove it (in the conditions of total control of the network of different spirits and limitations of individual subconsciousnesses), but it is also impossible to logically deny it. Christian people know that if you follow the rules, then life is improving significantly. There's invisible hand of God, that controls all these groups of spirits. Remember magically irritating words for atheists: "a network of human subconsciousnesses". There's no enemies among people, because all people are connected using the network of human subconsciousnesses. Irrationality is coming from meta-creatures of animals, predators (evil animal-like spirits). Christianity is the path to rationality and truth.

"Mind conductors"? "Meta-creatures"? Sounds too much like Body Thetans for me to take it seriously.

Are you sure you're not a scientologist?

So much for your "atheists don't ask questions" point.

"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin

The Doomed Soul's picture

i stopped reading at

i stopped reading at "Meta"

 

I know i know, "What took me so long?"

Cali_Athiest2's picture

Rational Christian wrote:One

Rational Christian wrote:
One of the main problems of modern atheistic psychology

What exactly is atheistic psychology?

Rational Christian wrote:

Atheistic science hides the fact that human subconsciousness consists of separate, absolutely independent 'mind conductors' (something like meta-persons = good or evil spirits) which can move through the network of human minds.

What is atheistic science? Towards the end, are you talking about spiritual possesion? If spirits are allowed to take over ones actions and thoughts, doesn't this violate the concept of freewill? If god were to allow me to become possessed by an evil spirit isn't that essentially the same as violating my freewill?

Rational Christian wrote:

But now I would say the following: We are pawns in a big reality-show 'chess game'.

The story of Job rings a bell here. The thought of satan and god playing chess with human lives is revolting.

Rational Christian wrote:

Atheists don't ask questions.

What questions don't atheists ask? As atheists we are the skeptics and challenging the status quo requires that questions be asked. I posit that the theists are the ones who are intellectually lazy. How many christians have ever asked to see true evidence of a world-wide flood? The only evidence they need lies in genesis. If the theist were to honestly look for the answer they would most likely find that the story is made up like most everything in the bible.

Rational Christian wrote:

 Based on New Testament from Bible (Christianity): concurrent participants of the system are controlled by different groups of virtual participants. The subconsciousness of human being can be controlled by more than 7-8 independent meta-creatures (good or evil spirits).

Are the numbers you chose to use (7-8) found in the scripture as well or was this pulled outcha ass?

"Always seek out the truth, but avoid at all costs those that claim to have found it" ANONYMOUS

pauljohntheskeptic's picture

I lost count at around 50 on

I lost count at around 50 on your claims of fantasy and meta creatures. Hopefully they haven't closed all the mental facilities in your area, you are exhibiting severe mental problems. Generally persons that think others inhabit their being have a form  of schizophrenia or multiple personality disorder. I advise immediate help.

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