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Logical Fallacy Lesson 2, Red Herring

Logical Fallacy Lesson 2, Red Herring
Category: Religion and Philosophy


For Logical Fallacy Lesson 2, I'm doing "Red Herring." I find it rather boring to talk about, but it is very, very common. You can pin Red Herring on someone more often than almost any other fallacy, because Red Herring usually goes hand in hand with tons of other fallacies. It has it's own form, yes, but it partially comes in to play all the freakin' time. I've had millions of chances to call someone out on it, but I always forget to and I only attack the main fallacies the person makes. But every times someone ever makes a logical fallacy, consider if they are guilty of Red Herring as well.

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Logical Fallacy Lesson 1: Argumentum Ad Hominem

Logical Fallacy Lesson 1, Argumentum Ad Hominem
Category: Religion and Philosophy


Here is the basic definition of Ad Hominem:

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin, literally "argument against the person") involves replying to an argument or assertion by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself. It is a logical fallacy.

A (fallacious) ad hominem argument has the basic form:

A makes claim X.
There is something objectionable about A.
Therefore claim X is false.
That is ad hominem.

Now, unfortunately, the great stupid, ignorant mob of people who like to parade their foolishness on my blogs seem to have done just enough research to know ad hominem has something to do with insult or something in that general nature. So whenever I say something mean or insulting, they accuse me of ad hominem. They are guilty of the logical fallacy ad hominem and are hypocrites when they do so. Because, for the foolish, there is a huge misconception about the fallacy.

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Boy Scouts of America

From an old MySpace Blog:

Boy Scouts of America
Category: News and Politics

"Duty to God Scouting maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God. In the first part of the Scout Oath or Promise, the member declares, " On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law. ""

-- , the BSA official webpage

"The BSA reaffirmed its view that an avowed homosexual can not serve as a role model for the traditional moral values espoused in the Scout Oath and Law..."

-- , the BSA official webpage

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Overkill a Theist

And old MySpace Blog:

Overkill a Theist
Category: Religion and Philosophy

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Christian Man
Date: Oct 7, 2006 12:23 PM

I believe in God, fix me, oh wait you can not fix me, I have a brain, should I say more?

My Response:


Unless you want to prove you don't have one. Which you... Pretty much already did.

Ad hominem mixed with bald assertion and non Sequitor. Three logical fallacies. Logical fallacy = logical error = illogical = stupid = you.

You avered a personal attack in attempt to refute an entire world view (or lack-of-a-world-view in this case). A completely unsupported attack as well, as you didn't explain, at all, whatsoever, how theism requires brains and atheism is the lack of them. And once this was so unsupported and riding on nothing but bare insult, your "reasoning" does not follow through to confirm your theist beliefs. Which would make you guilty of non Sequitor ("it does not follow") logical fallacy.

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Theist Argument 2, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics

From my MySpace Blog:

Theist Argument 2: The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics
Category: Religion and Philosophy

Samuel Thomas Poling, Blog #140, Theist Argument 2, 2nd Law of Thermodynamics

Listen, folks, I feel like Crap right now, I really do. It's late, I've had a lot of work to do, a lot of emotional bullshit to wade through. I'm really not in the mood to mess around with theistic stupidity. Unfortunately what gets me angry is always what gets me happy. That is to say - What gets me happy is destroying what gets me angry. But I really just want to get to the happy part right now if you know what I'm saying.

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Theist Argument 1, The Watchmaker Argument

From my MySpace Blog:

Theist Argument 1: The Watchmaker Argument
Category: Religion and Philosophy

Samuel Thomas Poling, Blog 127, Theist Argument #1: The Watchmaker Argument

I've done several blogs on theist arguments in the past, but now I'm going to go through them all in another blog series I'll just call "Theist Argument."

You see, theists want to explain reality just like you and me. However mostly they don't want it to be a reality they don't like, they'd rather it be something they would like to be true. And as intellectual liars, cowards, and frauds, or just as morons who can't think of a better explanation, they use "God" for the answer to several of the universe's biggest questions.

amen .....awoman, and this site

I grew up in a christian home, church, bible readings, family bible studies in the morning. It was commonplace, I grew up around it and I loved it. Jesus loved me. I loved Jesus and God. I was going to be a good girl for Jesus and do what I was told because I didn't want to go to hell, even though I knew I deserved it...I thought I deserved everything I got dished out to me.... I mean I did kill Jesus, and was a sinner because my father and mother sinned even before I was born, so I was bad even before I was born. I prayed and prayed to tell Jesus I was sorry that I killed him. It was all so wonderful and confusing and hellish and painful.

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For societies sake, marijuana needs to be legalised

I originally wrote this back in March of 2005, in response to a letter to the editor written to a local newspaper. A recent post regarding the war on drugs and religion by another forumite reminded me of it, and it's importance. So I went and dug it up. Here it is.
Most Americans and those of nations other than Canada may not be aware of the incident. But earlier this month, 4 RCMP(Royal Canadian Mounted Police) officers were gunned down by James Roszko, before he took his own life. Roszko was a known cop hater, and convicted child molestor. He also happened to be growing marijuana. And in a day where my country is polarized on one or the other side of the argument, some moron wrote the following to a local paper:

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Weaving god

A little entry.. seeing as I am new here,I thought I'd put something in here so as to not waste this wonderful space. This isn't really finished but who cares.

-The Weaving Hands of…

The power of Christ compels you,
The power of Christ dispels you,
The power of Christ expels you…

You, who are of the herd mentality,
You, who needs eventuality,
Ye, who heeds the call of blind duality,
He, who feeds on false morality,

We, who fight the chains of the mythical weaving hands
Take a firm stand
On the alter
Of the outer fringes of society
Morality does exist beyond his hands


I wrote this a little while ago on MySpace in response to one of those "Proclaim Yer Luv Fer JAYSUS!!!" bulletins, and since I just joined RRS (and I'm Lazy), I thought reposting it might make a decent intro to me and how I think on the topic of religion.

I should be ashamed?

So, I'm sure everyone has seen 'em by now: bulletins posted proclaiming someone-or-other's love fer God or Jesus or what have you. Now, I have absolutely no problem with 'em. If you're a religious type and Jesus is yer man, cool, shout it from the rooftops if'n ya want. It's yer right. However, I couldn't help but notice, on the latest one that I saw, how many people put their names on the list and added that anyone who doesn't put their name on "the Jesus list" should be ashamed. Ashamed? Really? I should be ashamed because I don't hold the same personal beliefs as you? Huh. So, does that include me if I'm Jewish? Or Hindu? Or Muslim? Or (Gasp!) atheist?

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