anyone out there wanna start a conversation? go ahead.. im listening...
My first ever post. My name is Ryan MacLeod, I deny the Holy Spirit, and I am not afraid.
Man is inherently condemned to be free. Skill to maintain freedom? How about rejection of all religious doctrines. Are atheists the only free individuals. I look at religion and see an escape from freedom. Are christians fearful? I think so. A free nation based on religion? Kind of an oxymoron.
I am not wealthy, but can I contribute in some small way, either financially or otherwise, to help ensure your freedoms?Submitted by Serafim Evgenie... on February 5, 2007 - 1:39pm.
I am a Theist, but must say, with profound conviction, that your courage and honesty moves me deeply, to the core of my being, and ask for your help as to how I can help protect you from having to live in fear. In my book, your honesty and courage in expressing your rationally reached conclusions are far more valuable to humanity than the conclusions of those who threaten you; they are the ones who are living in hell already. I agree with you - there is no hell - except for those who hate and threaten others who do not agree with them. They are the ones who have created hell for themselves, and who would create it for all of us if they had the power to do so...PLEASE report all threats to the authorities.
Quaran and probability. Allah has revealed Himself to you but most hate the Truth - Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct. At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.
Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct. At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.
Despite the user name, I'm not here with dogmatic intentions. The name is just a celebration of the challenge. Here are some ideas you may want to consider:
- Create a symbol. Make it positive. Display it everywhere. Movements need an shared idenity, so like-minded individuals can recognize each other.
- Establish a day of celebration. Religions use the species survival mechanism of shared communual activity to cement their beliefs into peoples' psyches. Take a leaf from their book. Make it joyful. Use music. Give your fellows something to look forward.
- Have a parade. I'll come.
Defeatist arguments are the primary defense mechanism of the weak-minded.
I have been told on many occasions, when I express opinions regarding laws that I plainly disagree with, that you cannot fight the government. It is a belief that any government wishes their native populace to believe, because a people who think that they cannot fight their government in any fashion is more easily controlled.
Think of this: the early American colonists endured the same form of propaganda. They were told in no uncertain terms that the King and his armies were too powerful. That there was no way to oppose them, and it was folly to even attempt to do so. The vast majority of the people living within the colonies simply endured whatever legislation the King laid down, and submitted themselves to whatever tyrannies might be imposed upon them.
In response to some's request to post sections of Church doctrine on various issues, I will begin my series with quotes from the Catechism of the Catholic Church as found at the website of the Holy See (http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc/index.htm).
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
"I BELIEVE" - "WE BELIEVE"
26 We begin our profession of faith by saying: "I believe" or "We believe". Before expounding the Church's faith, as confessed in the Creed, celebrated in the liturgy and lived in observance of God's commandments and in prayer, we must first ask what "to believe" means. Faith is man's response to God, who reveals himself and gives himself to man, at the same time bringing man a superabundant light as he searches for the ultimate meaning of his life. Thus we shall consider first that search (Chapter One), then the divine Revelation by which God comes to meet man (Chapter Two), and finally the response of faith (Chapter Three).
I have a link to a video here that some might find interesting. It is not approved by the Catholic Church but is being currently investigated. While an Italian bishop was saying Mass for the French television station that broadcasts Mass for shut-ins, the Host miraculously leviated off the paten on national television. The story had been under investigation for some time, and recently the bishop who was celebrating Mass wrote a book describing the miracle. Thankfully, the video was preserved for all to see. Here is the link to the video itself: